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Behringer Bass V-AMP Pro - Part II: Get On Back, Jack, Do It Again...

#201
CharlieC said:
The Crown XLS itself is dead quiet, both in fan operating noise and in its very pristine signal treatment.

The V-AMP produces no more preamp noise than any other preamp I have encountered. I have never found it to be intolerable, even in a dead quiet room, but if it were, then I would simply use the V-AMP's built-in noise gate and that would kill 100% of any noise normally heard otherwise.
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Hi all,

Last week I've purchased the behringer Inuke 3000 as power-amp. The build quality & performance ( lots of power! ) : No complaints ! , but ....
I am a little bit disappointed about the fan noise.
The fan is operating / rotating constantly. it gives really a lot of a constant noise ... the sound engineers will certainly not appreciate this ...

So I am considering to exchange the behringer Inuke 3000 for a Crown XLS 1500 ... Can anyone tell me what is the noise-level of a crown XLS cooling fan ? Is the crown cooling fan really "dead quiet" ? Is the fan just slowly rotating ?

Thanks for your opinion !
Cheers, Koos
 
#202
Hi !

Here is a picture of my new gear,

Last week I received my brand-new markbass cabinets !
The cabinets are really awesome ! Nicely build, lots of power, and lightweight.

I have done some position-experimenting. The 2 x 10 inch cabinet at the bottom, and the 15 inch above, give me the lows, the power, the punch, and definition.

I am getting used to the fan-noise of the behringer power amp, I will try it this weekend in a live situation.

One minor detail.. : The V-amp-pro gives some crackling noise when starting up. I will monitor this issue.... :hmm:

Cheers,
Koos

Ibanez SR700 - Behringer V-amp-Pro - Behringer Power amp Inuke 3000 - SKB case 4 HE- Markbass traveler 210P - Markbass traveler 151P
 

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#203
Koos_bass said:
Hi all,

Last week I've purchased the behringer Inuke 3000 as power-amp. The build quality & performance ( lots of power! ) : No complaints ! , but ....
I am a little bit disappointed about the fan noise.
The fan is operating / rotating constantly. it gives really a lot of a constant noise ... the sound engineers will certainly not appreciate this ...

So I am considering to exchange the behringer Inuke 3000 for a Crown XLS 1500 ... Can anyone tell me what is the noise-level of a crown XLS cooling fan ? Is the crown cooling fan really "dead quiet" ? Is the fan just slowly rotating ?

Thanks for your opinion !
Cheers, Koos
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Have you checked with Behringer support?

I can't believe they don't have a thermally controlled fan. It might be a problem that needs to be fixed on yours (or a batch)

I noticed that their DSP iNuke amps have a firmware update available.
 
#204
Koos_bass said:
One minor detail.. : The V-amp-pro gives some crackling noise when starting up. I will monitor this issue.... :hmm:
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From your description of this, hearing a start-up noise from the V-AMP indicates that you have the power amp turned on before the V-AMP itself was powered on. This is not the correct way to power a rig.

Always power the V-AMP and any other preamp/effects in the upstream first and then turn on the power amp absolutely last.

Also, regarding your other Crown XLS fan noise question: The XLS 1000 is absolutely dead quiet, meaning that you cannot hear anything, nor can you tell if the amp itself were even turned-on if it were not for the power-on LEDs. The XLS runs very cool and only when pushed to extremes will you ever hear the fan make the slightest, quietest operating whir. In fact, the only way most could tell if the fan were even operating is to put a hand over the exhaust vent and test for a breeze, as it really is that dead quiet. The entire Crown XLS series are fantastic, well designed power amps, and are well worth the cost.

Cheers!
 
#205
CharlieC said:
From your description of this, hearing a start-up noise from the V-AMP indicates that you have the power amp turned on before the V-AMP itself was powered on. This is not the correct way to power a rig.

Always power the V-AMP and any other preamp/effects in the upstream first and then turn on the power amp absolutely last.

Also, regarding your other Crown XLS fan noise question: The XLS 1000 is absolutely dead quiet, meaning that you cannot hear anything, nor can you tell if the amp itself were even turned-on if it were not for the power-on LEDs. The XLS runs very cool and only when pushed to extremes will you ever hear the fan make the slightest, quietest operating whir. In fact, the only way most could tell if the fan were even operating is to put a hand over the exhaust vent and test for a breeze, as it really is that dead quiet. The entire Crown XLS series are fantastic, well designed power amps, and are well worth the cost.

Cheers!
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Charlie, and others thank you for sharing your knowledge,
I really appreciate.
I will change the start-up sequence, start up the V-amp first, and after that I will power up the amp.

Now I am in doubt what to do with the Inuke 3000 fan-noise.
Maybe it's a "normal" fan noise for the Inuke, or maybe it's a slightly malfunction as seamonkey suggests. This weekend I will overthink this issue...

Ibanez SR700 - Behringer V-amp-Pro - Behringer Power amp Inuke 3000 - SKB case 4 HE- Markbass traveler 210P - Markbass traveler 151P
 
#206
CharlieC said:
From your description of this, hearing a start-up noise from the V-AMP indicates that you have the power amp turned on before the V-AMP itself was powered on. This is not the correct way to power a rig.

Always power the V-AMP and any other preamp/effects in the upstream first and then turn on the power amp absolutely last.

Cheers!
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I've forgotten to mention that the "crackling noise" is showing up after 2 or 3 minutes after starting the amp and v-amp. It seems not to predict when this occurs. It seems to be random, but... about 3 minutes after powering up.
After that, the crackling disappears, and everything is stable.

Anyway, I will try the right power-up sequence, and let you all know !
 
#207
FWIW, in electronics you have what is known as "Thermal Cyclic Stress", it is better to keep a power device cool from the start and not let it/they heat up and then cool down by forced air cooling. Just like bending a piece of metal backwards and forwards, it work hardens and breaks, ie the semiconductor material suffers from repeated heat bending. Why valve amps have standby switches, keeps the valves at operating temperature, though when supplying full power these devices heat up accordingly. HTH.
 
#208
Koos_bass said:
Now I am in doubt what to do with the Inuke 3000 fan-noise.
Maybe it's a "normal" fan noise for the Inuke, or maybe it's a slightly malfunction as seamonkey suggests. This weekend I will overthink this issue...
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hi koos_bass,

how loud is the noise that the cooling fan makes? i mean, is it way louder than any other cooled amp you heard or is it just the kind of noise you get from a fan but you rather have no sound at all?

i once had a peavy power amp with a fan that seemed rather loud once we put it in use. we took it back to the shop and compared it to another one in stock, turned out that the fan had something wrong so swapping it with a proper working one made it much more quiet. just a thought.

nice rig though, envy for the cabs!
 
#209
subdude67 said:
hi koos_bass,

how loud is the noise that the cooling fan makes? i mean, is it way louder than any other cooled amp you heard or is it just the kind of noise you get from a fan but you rather have no sound at all?

i once had a peavy power amp with a fan that seemed rather loud once we put it in use. we took it back to the shop and compared it to another one in stock, turned out that the fan had something wrong so swapping it with a proper working one made it much more quiet. just a thought.

nice rig though, envy for the cabs!
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Hi Subdude67, thanks for your reply !

This is my first poweramp. ( Never had one before ) . My previous bass-head made no sound at all. so I am not used to any fan-noise. But I think you are right... I will take the Inuke back to the shop, and compare it with another one, that should give some clearance...
 
#210
Today I went to the shop, and the salesman told me that power-amps are always noisy ( rotating cooling fans ).
"...Like many other power-amps, the Behringer Inuke 3000 has a constantly rotating cooling fan ..."

At my request, the salesman demonstrated the crown XLS 1500.
What a difference : NO FAN-NOISE at all ! NO ROTATING COOLING FAN.. ZERO DB !

Quite an easy decision. I left the behringer and some extra euros behind, an I went home with the XLS 1500 .

The Crown XLS 1500 is 2 x 300 Watt at 8 ohm, and the Inuke 3000 is 2 x 440 Watt at ohm. So, 140 Watt less power, but I guess, stll enough.


Ibanez SR700 - Behringer V-amp-Pro - Crown Power Amp XLS 1500 - SKB case 4 HE- Markbass traveler 210P - Markbass traveler 151P
 

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#212
caeman said:
For 4 euro, it is certainly a cheap experiment.
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Hi all / caeman

Yesterday I received the 5 euro midi-to-usb cable ( Ebay / UK )

I downloaded & installed the behringer v-amp-editor software on my laptop ( win 7 home premium 64 bits ) . Then I connected the cable : in/out on the V-amp , and the usb to the laptop.
Nothing happened ! The software didn't recognize a Bass-V-amp-pro ....

At last I went back to the V-amp-talkbass-thread / forum ... and YES ! There it was : The Midi-Cable-IN must be plugged in at the MIDI-OUT of the V-amp, and the Midi-Cable OUT must be plugged in at the MIDI-IN of the V-amp !

Problem solved , Thank you forum !!

Happy editing :-) !
Koos_bass
 
#214
Guys, have been giggin this V-AMP Pro for about a year now, who else is using
this on regular gigs? I have replaced the battery once and the other day at rehearsal
it started losing power and now nothing. What is everyones experience with the battery life on these units?
 
#219
Hi all,

The last days I am using the V-amp editor software, and it makes tweaking really easy.

Today I was playing around with the denoiser. I want to try this feature as a "noise gate" , to eliminate the little unwanted sounds.
( Ok ok I will improve my playing technique ;-) )

Does anyone has experience with the denoiser ?
What is the function of the EXPANDER, SENSITIVITY, RANGE knobs in the program ?

Happy Lows !
Koos_bass
 
#220
since we are on the topic of the editor software, allow me (a very computer un-savvy person) some questions about that:

are there advantages in using this software?

are there things that i can otherwise not do to a v-amp pro?

is it easy to use or should this be done by people with experience?

what's the worst that can happen if i mess up?

thanks for your input.
 

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