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Behringer Bass V-AMP Pro - Part II: Get On Back, Jack, Do It Again...

#221
subdude67 said:
since we are on the topic of the editor software, allow me (a very computer un-savvy person) some questions about that:

are there advantages in using this software?

are there things that i can otherwise not do to a v-amp pro?

is it easy to use or should this be done by people with experience?

what's the worst that can happen if i mess up?

thanks for your input.
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Hi Subdude67

In my opinion, it's really easy-to-use-software.

It makes editing easier . Just click , or drag over a knob/rotary, and you are changing the parameters...

When you e.g. "turn a rotary" in the software, you actually see the corresponding LED changing on your V-amp. Or ... if you turn a rotary on the V-amp, you can see the parameter-value live changing in the editor-program.

A very nice feature is the compare button ... you can click this button, and compare the original and the edited sound.

"are there things that i can otherwise not do to a v-amp pro?" Hm, I don't know ...

Messing up : I don't think this will happen .
You can edit a sound endlessly , and nothing will be stored until you press the STORE button ( the program let you choose where to place your edited sound ) , or the OVERWRITE button ( the program will overwrite the current preset .

There is a librarian function. I haven't used it, but I think it's possible to dump all the 5x25 presets into one file as a backup. ( And of course it's possible to restore , if needed )

Koos_bass
 
#223
MarcusPHagen said:
You'll want to use the backup function. Sooner or later, your battery will die. If you've backed up your changes, you can put in a new battery and reload the presets you've worked on and saved.

Marcus
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Marcus,

When I save to a library file ( e.g. myfile.blb ) , does this mean that all my 125 presets are stored in myfile.blb ? Can I consider myfile.blb as a backup file, which I can reload when needed ?
I have looked at a .blb file : Its size is only 300 bytes ... ok, there are only parameter values in it... but 300 bytes for 125 presets ... I don't fully understand ....

Koos_Bass
 
#224
I have been playing with the ultrabass effect and the synth effect.
I noticed that there is one specific note ( low F# on the E string ) , which cause some problems : Tracking and glitching problems. On every other note, the V-AMP performs fairly well, but the F# ... unfortunately is not ok !
In my opinion, the ultrabass effect ( tracking/glitching ) is not 100 % reliable....
Does anyone have similar experiences ?

I consider to purchase a stompbox octaver, to add a flavour of extra low. E.g. EBS octaver ( tracking/glitching should be sufficient according to reviews ) . Then I connect this octaver between the send and return at te rear of the V-AMP. And that makes it possible to combine two effects : EBS octaver as "external" effect, and a littebit chorus as V-amp effect.

Happy lows !
Koos_bass
 
#225
Koos_bass said:
Marcus,

When I save to a library file ( e.g. myfile.blb ) , does this mean that all my 125 presets are stored in myfile.blb ? Can I consider myfile.blb as a backup file, which I can reload when needed ?
I have looked at a .blb file : Its size is only 300 bytes ... ok, there are only parameter values in it... but 300 bytes for 125 presets ... I don't fully understand ....

Koos_Bass
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Which editor are you using? I know of at least two, and there may be more. Behringer has one that is rather basic, but does the job. If I recall correctly (it's been a while since I last used it, and don't want fuzzy memory to mislead anyone), I was able to name each full backup in a "Save As" dialog window. I generally use the date (ccyy-mm-dd) and time (hh.mm) in front of a descriptive name (VampProBass) to give me a set of backups so that I can go back to an earlier version if I decide to do so.

Hope this helps. I'll have to look at it when I get home, to be more specific than while I'm at work and away from my PC.

Marcus
 
#226
MarcusPHagen said:
Which editor are you using? I know of at least two, and there may be more. Behringer has one that is rather basic, but does the job. If I recall correctly (it's been a while since I last used it, and don't want fuzzy memory to mislead anyone), I was able to name each full backup in a "Save As" dialog window. I generally use the date (ccyy-mm-dd) and time (hh.mm) in front of a descriptive name (VampProBass) to give me a set of backups so that I can go back to an earlier version if I decide to do so.

Hope this helps. I'll have to look at it when I get home, to be more specific than while I'm at work and away from my PC.

Marcus
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Hi Marcus, thanks for your post !
I am using the behringer software : the standard editor V 2.3 , downloadable at the behringer site. This weekend I have managed to export sysex and import sysex files. Very useful to save individual presets ! Size of such a sysex file ( = 1 preset ! ) : ca. 60 bytes. This makes it for me hard to understand that the complete backup for 125 presets ( the .blb ??? ) is only 300 bytes... What am I missing ?

Koos
 
#227
Koos_bass said:
I have been playing with the ultrabass effect and the synth effect.
I noticed that there is one specific note ( low F# on the E string ) , which cause some problems : Tracking and glitching problems. On every other note, the V-AMP performs fairly well, but the F# ... unfortunately is not ok !
In my opinion, the ultrabass effect ( tracking/glitching ) is not 100 % reliable....
Does anyone have similar experiences ?

Happy lows !
Koos_bass
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To improve the Ultrabass tracking try experimenting with the Gain setting (CharlieC's Tip #1 -> "enter CONFIG mode, hold TAP and turn GAIN knob" )

Another way to improve tracking is to select only the bridge pickup when using the Ultrabass. Assuming you're using a bass with two pickups.
 
#228
samjones_de said:
To improve the Ultrabass tracking try experimenting with the Gain setting (CharlieC's Tip #1 -> "enter CONFIG mode, hold TAP and turn GAIN knob" )

Another way to improve tracking is to select only the bridge pickup when using the Ultrabass. Assuming you're using a bass with two pickups.
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Hi samJones

Thanks !
Tonight I will experiment with the Gain settings, thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, selecting the bridge pickup didn't work for me :-( .
 
#229
Been using one for sessions (especially at home with a SPDIF Cable into the audio interface) as well as when I'm playing with my Cream Tribute band (I use the Marshall sim and overdrive the input gain). Works pretty well, sometime the compressor "breathes" a little bit, but I've used it in Pro Studio rooms and it works pretty well there too.
I do think the MIDI foot controller really opens things up live.
I bought both the V-Amp Pro Unit and the foot controller for less than my endorsement price for the Line 6 Pod Pro would have been.
 
#231
At this moment my Crown xls 1500 is set to stereo mode.
In this setup, I have connected my two 8 ohm cabinets, to the 2 amp outputs channel 1 and channel 2. ( specs : 2 x 300 W at 8 ohm. )

I can imagine that there could be a situation that I need more power. The Crown can produce more power in bridge mode.
( specs : 1550 W at 4 Ohm ).

So I am preparing a "bridge cable" for just in case when the stage situation is asking for more power.

So I have been surfing around, and together with the posts of CharlieC, I think I know how to wire the special bridge mode speakercable ( CABLE 1 in my diagram ) .Take a look at the attached picture , for my idea of bridge-wiring, and connections ....

Link to crown speaker modes & wiring :
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#232
^^^ Although your diagram is correct, please be advised that sending 1550-Watts to the 2 specific speaker cabinets you are currently using is a risky situation (unless blowing the speaker drivers would help justify the purchase of new cabinets?) :D

Cheers!
 
#233
CharlieC said:
^^^ Although your diagram is correct, please be advised that sending 1550-Watts to the 2 specific speaker cabinets you are currently using is a risky situation (unless blowing the speaker drivers would help justify the purchase of new cabinets?) :D

Cheers!
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Hi Charlie

Thanks for watching to my diagram ! I really appreciate your opinion. You are right ... I have to be careful : sending 1550 Watt to 2 cabinets, each 400 watt RMS ... :hmm:
 
#234
Koos_bass said:
Hi Charlie

Thanks for watching to my diagram ! I really appreciate your opinion. You are right ... I have to be careful : sending 1550 Watt to 2 cabinets, each 400 watt RMS ... :hmm:
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It is not a bad thing to have a big power amp. A lot of manufactures of speakers recommend to use power amps that has about 50% more power then the speakers are rated. That is to guaranty that the signal is clean. One of the most common ways to blow a speaker is to use a too small power amp.

Having two speakers that can handle 400watts each will be 800 watts. Add 50% to that and you will have 1200 watts.

As an example I have a Ampeg SVT4 pro connected to a single 500 watts RMS Ampeg SVT 410 HLF. The amp give 2*490 watts at 4 ohms so I was running mono 490 watts. It took me one month to blow the tweeter in the speaker.

After replacing the tweeter I am now running the amp bridged (1200 watts at 4 ohms). I have done this for 4 years. Very loud. Many times the the clip indicator on the amp is flashing (indicating 1200watts?). Still my speaker is running fine after 4 years with no worries at all.

Jocke............
 
#235
Hello everyone. I am new here and I just ordered a Bass V-amp pro today. Should hopefully arrive in a week. I did also order a USB-midi cable just because I could.

The first question is regarding a foot pedal. My plan is to replace my SVT4 pro and all my boxes with the V-amp only as I now have a tuner, compressor, chorus and a switch pedal mute/change channel on my amp.

The question is which pedal should i order. Afaik I need a midi pedal. Any recommendations? Does behringer have any special pedal for the V-AMP?

Jocke............
 
#236
Behringer has the FCB1010 foot controller.

On a side note, I can't believe this thread is now on its second leg! Not bad for a piece of hardware coming from a company that people need to warm up to more. My V-amp and Crown XLS100 are both going strong since I got the power amp a year or two ago (have had the V-amp for almost four or five years). Thanks to the V-amp's less than user friendly documentation tweaking the rig is a "learning experience" and discovering something new, which I find interesting. The only thing I have to replace is the Gator rack case. It's the full-size one, latches and other parts are still working but really beaten down badly (too much mojo), and it just looks funny with the petite components mounted on such a large case.
 
#237
vij said:
It is not a bad thing to have a big power amp. A lot of manufactures of speakers recommend to use power amps that has about 50% more power then the speakers are rated. That is to guaranty that the signal is clean. One of the most common ways to blow a speaker is to use a too small power amp.

Having two speakers that can handle 400watts each will be 800 watts. Add 50% to that and you will have 1200 watts.

As an example I have a Ampeg SVT4 pro connected to a single 500 watts RMS Ampeg SVT 410 HLF. The amp give 2*490 watts at 4 ohms so I was running mono 490 watts. It took me one month to blow the tweeter in the speaker.

After replacing the tweeter I am now running the amp bridged (1200 watts at 4 ohms). I have done this for 4 years. Very loud. Many times the the clip indicator on the amp is flashing (indicating 1200watts?). Still my speaker is running fine after 4 years with no worries at all.

Jocke............
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Hi VIJ , thanks for your thoughts !
Just one hour ago , I have finished my "bridge cable".... so this weekend, when the neighbors are outdoors ... :bassist: ;)
 
#238
Koos_bass said:
Hi VIJ , thanks for your thoughts !
Just one hour ago , I have finished my "bridge cable".... so this weekend, when the neighbors are outdoors ... :bassist: ;)
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Sounds good. Even if it is recommended to have 50% more power then the speaker it is still good to remember that it is a lot of power and not maxing all out and putting everything on 11.

Jocke.....
 
#239
Hello everyone. Long time reader, first time poster here. I play a cheap 5-string Aria SB/40 through the V-amp Pro to the Peavey Mark 3 bass head. I have couple of questions regarding the V-amp pro. :)

Is there another way of fixing the slow tuner response, other than setting the master gain from the Config menu all the way up? Doing this makes things better a bit (while still not perfect!), but it also creates a bit of noise/hum that doesnt exist when the master gain is on default. And its not about the bass either because I tried it with different pedals/multifx units over the time, and I never experienced the exact thing.
This problem (response, not the noise, that part is tolerable) is especially noticable when I am downtuning to ADGCF, or even a half step further.

The second question is regarding the general volume settings. I connect the V-amp to the input jack of my amp, instead of using send/return. Amp's preamp makes it sound a bit thicker than when using just the poweamp part. My question is, what is the general rule of thumb when it comes to using the master volume pot on V-amp this way? Flat at 12 o'clock? I know that there are other factors here, such as the gain/volume settings for amp models, but I am talking about reasonable settings here. I just dont want to blow my amp.

And now to the third question. Did anyone manage to find a nice slightly distorted/overdriven, grindy sound? Something along the lines of Ampeg/VT bass pedal? I tried V-amp's stompbox models, but they dont seem to be that great.

That would be all, for now at least. :) Thanks for any help in advance, and also thanks to CharlieC for making that quick-start guide, and all of those little tips, it helped me a lot. :)
 

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