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Bergantino AE212 - Just Released

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#402
Andrew Jones said:
Arg,,,,, Moving into a Loft space with NO elevator!!!!!! 3 flights.


Questions,,,,,,,,,


Dump the IP112 stack and My beloved NV425?????


Shuttle 9.0 and on of these?????


Aaarrrrggghhhh!!!!
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Andrew, are you back east again? I hadn't talked to you in awhile.

The NVs are as you probably know are easy to move but stairs are a real drag. The IP stack is small at least but stairs make just about anything a drag.
 
#403
Wow, I've read through this entire thread and it's very temptimg. I owned an AE210 for a very short while and it was ok but was missing something... My favorite Bergs to date have been the HS210 and HT115. It seems hard to find a good place to try new gear around St. Louis without making a purchase.... I'll have to think long and hard about this one. You guys sure know how to strike up a GAS attack!
 
#404
Alphaman said:
Wow, I've read through this entire thread and it's very temptimg. I owned an AE210 for a very short while and it was ok but was missing something... My favorite Bergs to date have been the HS210 and HT115. It seems hard to find a good place to try new gear around St. Louis without making a purchase.... I'll have to think long and hard about this one. You guys sure know how to strike up a GAS attack!
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Jim Rubio at the Atlanta Bass Gallery has been using that same 210 115 combo for years. He says he is going to switch to the AE212
 
#405
rodneyat said:
Jim Rubio at the Atlanta Bass Gallery has been using that same 210 115 combo for years. He says he is going to switch to the AE212
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Jim Rubio is a cool guy! I actually bought my AE210 and an HS210 from him about 18 months ago. When I was in ATL a few months back, I was trying to make a point to get by and meet him personally just as I was trying to meet up with you Rodney, however it didn't happen. I will get back down there soon enough. With folks like this saying they hear something extra in this cab, it makes me think this cab may appeal more to me than the AE210. I would have kept the AE210 longer but dumped it for cash to pickup a Walnut topped MTD 535. I wish I would have held onto it for longer than a few weeks because I was working on different EQ settings with my amp but saw it as one of the easiest things to sell for the last few $ on that 535. I really didn't get a chance to put it through its paces.
 
#406
Yup, back on the right coast,,love that Portland though best coffee in the world and the beers not bad either.


The NV will definitely go on the chopping block,, unless I hook with a band and a space right away.


Aj


Jerry J said:
Andrew, are you back east again? I hadn't talked to you in awhile.

The NVs are as you probably know are easy to move but stairs are a real drag. The IP stack is small at least but stairs make just about anything a drag.
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#407
Had the second gig with the Shuttle 9.0/AE212 last night. Kind of an outdoor room, very different than the night before. I very much seemed to have reached the limits of this pairing on this particular gig. Nothing wrong with the sound at all. In fact, I received many compliments. But my bass and amp were pretty much maxed out. The cab took it all, and didn't look or sound stressed at all. Sounded beautiful. So in this particular case, I was either asking too much from the cab, or the amp just reached it's max.
 
#409
Washishimi said:
Had the second gig with the Shuttle 9.0/AE212 last night. Kind of an outdoor room, very different than the night before. I very much seemed to have reached the limits of this pairing on this particular gig. Nothing wrong with the sound at all. In fact, I received many compliments. But my bass and amp were pretty much maxed out. The cab took it all, and didn't look or sound stressed at all. Sounded beautiful. So in this particular case, I was either asking too much from the cab, or the amp just reached it's max.
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Wow...was the Shuttle 9.0 on full whack?!

Id always expect the 9.0 to have extra juice no matter what. Maybe im expecting too much.
 
#410
Yeah, shuttle volumes were full up. Everything pretty much set flat. It sounded fantastic, and never broke up, clipped, etc. Don't get me wrong, it was insanely loud and will cover 90% of my shows. Just thinking I might grab/trade for an AE410 for those shows where I need a bit more. I'm loving the 9.0/AE combination a lot.
 
#412
interesting that you ran out of steam on the last gig........well mainly that you ran out in the amp section before the cab.....not that the AE cabs are in the least weak, just that my AE410 would likely break up or float before my LMII would run out of steam........of course at this point, it would be quite loud.........the AE410 holds it together better than many other 410 cabs........
I have little experience with the GB heads.....I guess I just wouldn't have expected one to max out a head like a 9.0 before the cab showed some signs of stress, etc.................as good as the Bergs are, just doesn't make sense to me...............not saying its not so, I am just puzzled I guess........just find it rather interesting.....and also wondering if your eq, gain settings, etc have much to do with the amp running out of steam........................:hmm:

thanks for posting, I would be interested in hearing more on this point...
 
#414
I used my AE212 and F1 on an outside gig. Gain about 1:00 and master about 10:00 maybe 10:30. I added a touch of bass, upper mid and some treble. Plenty loud for me and the band. We do use a single powered 18" sub and some feed to the tops. I don't know how it would have been without the PA support but we always use that setup, just adjust for venue. Still the AE212 was completely whoopin' and my band (or at least the two that pay attention to gear) really like this cab's extend tight low end.
 
#415
Washishimi said:
Yeah, shuttle volumes were full up. Everything pretty much set flat. It sounded fantastic, and never broke up, clipped, etc. Don't get me wrong, it was insanely loud and will cover 90% of my shows. Just thinking I might grab/trade for an AE410 for those shows where I need a bit more. I'm loving the 9.0/AE combination a lot.
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I'm wondering if an AE210/212 stack, or a 2 x AE212 stack might be the ticket here... more speakers, 4 ohm load should get it done. Having said that, it sort of defeats the purpose of a one cab solution.

Berg AE442 anybody? :hiding:
 
#416
Andrew Jones said:
He said outdoor(like) I'm not at all surprised the 212 barely made it through that. That's the one scenario that the ip112 stack doesn't allways cut it.
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I think we're out of phase here my friend. I understood outdoor, and I understand more speakers may be needed, etc. and I would not have been surprised if the the AE212 had not been able to handle the outdoor gig before breaking up if that had been the case... I am interested in the fact that the amp ran out before the cab was pushed the the point of distress..basically....that's my point of interest here.....since I have a feel for what my LMII and AE410 can handle, and that the AE410 would likely show some signs of stress before I maxed out the LMII........
every Berg I've heard, can handle a good pounding before breaking up, but like you are saying, its an outdoor gig and all, we have to be realistic........but the amp was maxed before the cab was pushed to its limit.......so it sounds

that's my point here........at least I think....:D
 
#417
Doesn't the Shuttle 9 have an LED over limit indicator? Were you pegging the LED?

I agree with Andrew, a 212 for outdoor gig, unless you have PA support, is a challenge. Quite a few years ago I used my old Bag End 212 for an outdoor gig and it sounded killer on stage. But it was miked through the PA for anything beyond that.
 
#420
Whitbass said:
Actually not, I am quite sure I can get the AE410 to point of distress before the LMII is maxed out.
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I just can't imagine this being the case. I have no experience with the AE410, but every quality 410 I've seen can take way more wattage than the LMII can put out. I can't imagine this cab being any different given the high quality nature of Bergs. The key is that the wattage has to stay clean though. The LMII is only 500 watts, and the AE410 is rated to take 800 watts. I'm sure that's a thermal rating as it is with most cabs, so putting a head that can put out 1000 or so clean watts shouldn't be a problem at all for the AE410, and it should be a bit louder than the LMII, all else being equal. If that's not the case, the AE410 would be a huge disappointment for me.
 
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