• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join freeLog in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

Bergantino B|Amp-Power and Versatility (and cost-efficiency!)

Jim sent me a copy of the latest firmware, well, two versione, one yesterday and one today. This last one has a bit less drive, but it has a bit more details in the lower midrange...I think it would be perfect with any of the NV cabs where the stock fw is a bit too pristine to my ears.

I quite like the overdriven sound as well, and think it would fit well with a lot of my projects.

I hear you on the out of the box sound, although I disagree. It reminds me of comments about my Sadowskys' tone, and how they sound, until you play them with a band. Then suddenly that clean crisp sound is what makes the tone cut rather than be muddy and competing with the other players.

Everyone has their own tone, though, and now with just the B|Amp, one can essentially dial in whatever floats your boat, all the way from clean, through overdriven, to a nice distortion.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Burwabit
yes, sorry, what I meant is that for the kind of character the NV cabs have, the amp was a bit too clean to my taste, but with my HD112 is perfect...well, now that I can add a bit of punch, it can produce an even wider array of great sounds (the eq is maybe the most musical I ever heard on a bass amp)
 
  • Like
Reactions: Scoastene
yes, sorry, what I meant is that for the kind of character the NV cabs have, the amp was a bit too clean to my taste, but with my HD112 is perfect...well, now that I can add a bit of punch, it can produce an even wider array of great sounds (the eq is maybe the most musical I ever heard on a bass amp)

I understand, and the HDNs work nicely with the original tone, too.
 
yes, I did a lot of testing with an HDN112/210 stack, they sound awesome, a great improvement on the CN to my ear, and I will do some more testing in the next few days with the drive, so far I think it's great!
 
  • Like
Reactions: kjones
I'd like to have a better understanding of the B|AMP and how it's technology may or may not relate to a 'modelling' amplifier such as the Markbass MultiAmp. I can understand that the latter must (I guess!) digitise the signal in order to give you the 'models' but I'm a little confused about the DSP in the B|AMP. Does the DSP 'control' the analog signal or has the signal been converted to digital at this point if that makes sense? In other words has the final sound been converted to digital and back again - and is it the same thorugh the DI out? Basic question I know but I can't quite get my head around what's going on inside.
 
Does the DSP 'control' the analog signal or has the signal been converted to digital at this point if that makes sense?
DSP = Digital Signal Processor
The analog input signal is converted to digital stream, processed by DSP, and later converted to analog
I think you will find that most of the functionality is done in the digital domain, which enables tremendous flexibility.
 
DSP = Digital Signal Processor
The analog input signal is converted to digital stream, processed by DSP, and later converted to analog
I think you will find that most of the functionality is done in the digital domain, which enables tremendous flexibility.

This is true. But it's so much more than this. Having a micro controller in the amp as well, allows us to define the user interface which is limited only by the power of the DSP processor and our vision as to what we want the B|AMP to be. Having this processing power to control and change things in the software, along with a USB port, allows us to add or modify different features of the amp not only in production, but equally as well in the field. In other words, unlike any analog amp, your B|AMP will never be obsolete!

Two quick examples. After shipping the amps to Australia it was determined the amps were running hotter than I had anticipated. Turns out the modules run hotter at 240VAC than 120VAC. But it's not the output section that runs hotter, it's the power supply. We were not given the ability to monitor the Power supply temperature by ICE, so I compensated by having the fan turn on at a lower output section temperature. Took me all of 2 minutes to create the change in the software and email the new firmware to Australia where customers where able to load it into their amp in less than a minute. Now their amps are running cooler as was intended in the first place.

Another example, which I give with much reservations (I don't want everyone with a B|AMP asking for custom firmware ;-}), I have a highly regarded player in Germany who after some discussion, it was determined that the q's on the tone controls were a little too wide, and adjustments in one frequency band were reaching a bit too far on either side of the center frequency for his tastes. No sooner did he email me so I had his email address, a new firmware was on its way back to Germany with a narrower q on the tone controls, which made a big difference for him. The whole process from the time the phone call ended to the time he had the new firmware installed in his amp and up and running took at most 10 minutes! There's no way an analog designed amp could do this. It would require modifying resistor and/or capacitor values on the PC boards which would be out of the question.

And, in this very thread, some players are testing some overdrive/distortion circuits for the B|AMP which took me just a "little" more than 5 minutes to design, but less than a minute for them to download the firmware to a thumb drive and install into their amps. These are only a few examples and represent a small part of the power and versatility of the amp's architecture, but it should be helpful in giving you better insight into the thought and technology behind the design.

And just to be clear, this is not a modeling amp. This is an amp that was designed for you to sound like you, as accurately and musically as possible. And to accomplish this, we gave you a host of very useful tools. Things like a Variable high pass filter, variable feedback/notch filter, semi-parametric tone controls, and of course the profile filters. Not to mention a built in chromatic tuner, 2 memory locations for storing tone settings, a studio quality DI, programmable bright filter, and more. In other words, it's not just another off the shelf, Class D module with a pre-amp thrown in front of it. It was designed to be a "solution" to bass amplification, not just another baked in voice for it. As one of my dealers put it, it's the Swiss army knife of bass amps. All this being said, if someone prefers the sound of something like Ampeg or Fender, then they should consider buying one of those amps. But as it's been said many times, no matter which amp or bass you play through, you're always going to sound like you! ;-}
 
Last edited:
I just got the latest "overdrive" load of firmware (version I) installed in my B|Amp. I'm loving it, Jim is really tweaking it to get a nice balance of solid/clear sounding fundamentals on the lower notes along with a nice bit of crunch on the front end of all the notes. With some of the earlier loads, the lower notes (think E and A string) could get a little mushy sounding just because they were swamping the overdrive section. This latest load (as well as the past several loads) is better balanced and really delivering the goods for me.

I've got a great gig coming up this Saturday where I'll run the B|Amp DI through a massive PA system being run by real pros, so I can't wait to hear this amp in all it glory. Last time I ran the B|Amp DI through a similar system (with firmware load D or E, I think), it was very impressive. I kept turning my amp down on stage because the sound in the house was absolutely slamming. I could clearly hear what I was playing just from the blowback from the subs/mains. The sound was nicely/naturally compressed, and the little bit of dirt really helped my P bass cut through a pretty dense mix (loud drummer, 2 crunchy guitars, and wailing organ/piano).

I guess it probably sounds weird to be so excited to hear my B|Amp through the PA rather than through my pair of HT-112ER cabs... but I'd much rather let the PA carry the load if the guys running it know what they're doing. Of course, if they don't, I've always got the master volume knob on my B|Amp. :)

Anyone else out there running the latest H (distortion) and I (overdrive) loads yet? I haven't A/B'd many of the different versions, I just keep running with the latest as long as I'm happy with it...
 
This is version "I?" I am pretty sure I'm only up through G.

I definitely liked G better than the older one for the reason you mention; I think it's a bit more defined than what I had previously down on the low side. Although I'm not doing blind A/B either, I can definitely tell the difference when I put the new one in. I knew right away I liked it better.

I better go complain to Jim that I want the new one! I will have a chance to work it out Wednesday, although I'm about to start a six-week musical run, which I'm going to play completely clean. Looking forward to giving some feedback on this new one.

Yeah, the DI in this must be really good because I've used it for FOH, and the sound in the house has been really exceptional with no complaints and only compliments from the sound guys.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RocketMusic
It has been a lot of fun play-testing these new firmware files. This process definitely serves to highlight the ease of "upgradability" and "tweakability" with Jim's DSP design.

It's also really cool that Jim has an excellent option for those folks who want their amp to add a little "hair" or added harmonic excitement. :thumbsup:
 
  • Like
Reactions: so tuff
My B Amp just arrived yesterday, just had a few minutes to plug it in and familiarize myself with the controls.

I can say it sounds great in the basement. And, it is a solid and well build unit.

It was very impressive to hear how the sound changed when I engaged the CN112 profile, noticeable difference!

Have used Jim's speakers for 7 years, and now am looking forward to pairing them with this new amp.

I have a HDN112 on the way, can't wait to stack up all thee of my 112's this weekend for a outdoor gig.

Thanks Jim!
 
So just to follow up on what I anticipated would be (and actually was) a really great gig experience this weekend. This was a festival sort of situation in downtown Blacksburg with a massive PA system. I ran direct into the PA using my B|Amp's DI output, and I had a pair of HT112ER cabs on stage with me.

Prior to this, I'd been telling myself that the new "overdrive" feature is fairly tame, I was thinking it doesn't put a ton of hair on the signal. Well, that didn't take into account how hard I play when I'm with a good drummer and running through a big PA to an appreciative crowd... man, my tone was absolutely gnarly in all the right ways. P bass w/ flats and the perfect amount of crunch, but still thunderous and very clear.

I started out with earplugs in and a pretty low stage volume. After a couple tunes, I pulled the plugs out just to do a sanity check... holy cow, the two guitar players had their amps CRANKED. I turned up a bit, and the stage sound got really nice. I should have put my plugs back in at that point (oh, my poor ears), but it sounded so good that I really wanted to enjoy it. That was a fun hour and a half, gigs don't get much better than that in my world.
 
Prior to this, I'd been telling myself that the new "overdrive" feature is fairly tame, I was thinking it doesn't put a ton of hair on the signal. Well, that didn't take into account how hard I play when I'm with a good drummer and running through a big PA to an appreciative crowd... man, my tone was absolutely gnarly in all the right ways. P bass w/ flats and the perfect amount of crunch, but still thunderous and very clear.

Gosh, I am so glad that I'm not the only one that does that! I am almost always completely pumped with adrenaline no matter how big or little the gig is. It's about halfway through the first set that I realize I'm playing really hard, so ease up and turn up if necessary (sometimes I find I'm playing too hard subconsciously when I can't hear myself too well).

You're completely right about the way the overdrive works. The more you put into it by any means, including by playing harder, the more overdrive sound comes out. It's really cool, and I'm completely thrilled with it. This most recent version is the bee's knees as far as I'm concerned.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RocketMusic
Gosh, I am so glad that I'm not the only one that does that! I am almost always completely pumped with adrenaline no matter how big or little the gig is. It's about halfway through the first set that I realize I'm playing really hard, so ease up and turn up if necessary (sometimes I find I'm playing too hard subconsciously when I can't hear myself too well).

This most recent version is the bee's knees as far as I'm concerned.

It's all Greg's fault...he's the one with the "bee's" !!! ;-}
 
We've talked a lot about the overdrive and distortion tones of the B|Amp in this thread, but let me just reiterate how good the out of the box tone is. I'm playing my fretless through the B and into an HDN 112 for the musical I'm doing for the next month and a half. I'm using it completely clean, and with the EQ setting I'm using for traditional tones, it does a pretty good job of covering the 60s kind of tones I need for a couple of the songs.

I dial down the bass EQ a little and then get a a reasonable facsimile of an upright sound as well. It's very easy for me to keep the two settings on the memory so I just need to hit one button to go from setting to setting. Despite not being turned up very much, the bass is in a good spot in the mix, from what I've been told by musicians who have attended as well as good feedback from both the director and the producer.

Can't wait to try my upright through this.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RocketMusic
Any news on a profile for the EA410?

EG
Jim should reply; but, I am unaware of any intent to profile non-Berg cabs.

That said, I will just say that the Berg profiles I am using are so subtle that I am probably using them just because they are there and would be perfectly happy without them. But, then I pretty much just play this amp flat the way it came out of the box. To me, this amp is a "do NOT set it and forget it" amp. I do use the volume knob, ummm and the HPF; which was set once, and now I don't honestly remember where it is.

BTW, this amp is just peas and carrots with my Tobias, FWIW.
 
  • Like
Reactions: evilgus