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Bergantino HS210

rodl2005

rodl2005

Jun 1, 2005
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Yes did a search etc.... Got SOME info. BUT what do U USERS think of this cab?????- one on OZ ebay atm I'm considering.

I read that it's a Li'l Low end shy - able to fix w/ amps EQ this what U find???
Good cab to go w/ say a LMII or Ampeg V4BH or to pair with a 1x15" or a 1x12" ????

Love to hear some PRESENT day comments.:hyper:

Thanx.
 
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rodl2005 said:
I read that it's a Li'l Low end shy - able to fix w/ amps EQ this what U find???
Good cab to go w/ say a LMII or Ampeg V4BH or to pair with a 1x15" or a 1x12" ????
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Check out this thread:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=522882

I go into a bit of detail about my experiences with the HS210 which you might find helpful. I did find the cab to be shy on the low but I was able to find EQ settings on my LMII that allowed me to get close to the tone I like. As a standalone cab, I still prefer my AE112. The cab does sound great paired with a 112. To me, that's where it really shines.

As it turns out, I happened to sell my HS210 last night and have another AE112 waiting to be picked up at Club Bass later on today. Fortunately, I have a gig tonight and will be using the two AE112's stacked for the first time. One AE112 would be enough for this particular venue, but how can I not bring both cabs to try.

I'm pumped just thinking about it :hyper:
 
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I've owned 2 of the Berg HS210 cabinets but the ones that I owned were of the original design. Those cabinets IMO had plenty of bass and actually should have been tuned tighter in my opinion.
At the time I was using an Alembic F1-X pre w/Stewart 1.6 amp and the Berg 210 really broke up at fairly low volumes. To make it clear, I didn't own both of the cabinets at the same time. I only played through a single 210. A guy offered another Berg HS210 in a trade so I figured I'd try them again with my Thunderfunk head but it resulted in the same result. It just broke up at much too low volumes.

I've been told that the newer design is much tighter sounding but after trying 2 of the Berg HS210's, I'm sticking with the Berg HT112 cabinets. They are by far the best sounding cabinets that I've played through. I play at much higher clean volumes with the 112 than I ever could with the 210 Berg. Much more portable too.
 
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Jome77 Are U saying the cabs 'broke up' as is started to "fart" or overload the speakers pretty easily???
FAJAH I dunno whether the one I'm lookin at is an orig. design one or a later one. Will try & find out. Any things to look for in FINDING OUT??? here's a link to the orig. advert...

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI...m=300297163167&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=020

IF I did grab it- it'd be used by itself & sometimes with a Aggie 112 or Aggie 115.. thoughts?????
 
#7
I love my pair of HS210 cabs, but I'm not sure either of your amps is the best match for one. I have found that Genz Benz GBE750, Aguilar AG500, and Fender Bassman amp all work reasonably well with the HS210. I don't find the HS210 to be particularly bass shy, though it focussed voicing make make it seem that way. All in all a good cab for small to medium gigs, and cuts a stage mix pretty well.

As I've stated in a couple of other threads, my "go to" rig is an HS210/HT112 stack. Sort of a modular version of an HT322, but punchier and more focussed.
 
#8
Hi Rod, I've been looking at those amps (he's got 2 for sale) this week and have dealt with that guy a little, so you might have some competition ;) I haven't had an opportunity to try them out yet so can't report back to ya on that, my only thing to say is that the guy was not moving at all on price, at $700 each 2nd hand was too much for me when they're only $900 new. I would get the pair if I can reduce the price a bit.
 
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JOME77 said:
I've owned 2 of the Berg HS210 cabinets but the ones that I owned were of the original design. Those cabinets IMO had plenty of bass and actually should have been tuned tighter in my opinion.
At the time I was using an Alembic F1-X pre w/Stewart 1.6 amp and the Berg 210 really broke up at fairly low volumes. To make it clear, I didn't own both of the cabinets at the same time. I only played through a single 210. A guy offered another Berg HS210 in a trade so I figured I'd try them again with my Thunderfunk head but it resulted in the same result. It just broke up at much too low volumes.

I've been told that the newer design is much tighter sounding but after trying 2 of the Berg HS210's, I'm sticking with the Berg HT112 cabinets. They are by far the best sounding cabinets that I've played through. I play at much higher clean volumes with the 112 than I ever could with the 210 Berg. Much more portable too.
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As far as I know, there is only one HS210 design. You might be thinking of the old HT210, which was very large, and had a very deep low end extension and quite a bit of scoop in the mids. The HS210 is very tightly voiced, and the HS210 will put out much more volume than a single HT112, with more absolute low end.
 
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rodl2005 said:
Jome77 Are U saying the cabs 'broke up' as is started to "fart" or overload the speakers pretty easily???
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Yeah. My SWR Goliath Jr. III actually held together a bit tighter than the Berg 210's that I had (not much better though; I prefer the Series I versions of those cabinets). I was surprised. I believe that the newer ones have an "S" in the model number (at least that's what I remember Bergantino's email stating; Unforunately I deleted the email).
 
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JOME77 said:
Yeah. My SWR Goliath Jr. III actually held together a bit tighter than the Berg 210's that I had (not much better though; I prefer the Series I versions of those cabinets). I was surprised. I believe that the newer ones have an "S" in the model number (at least that's what I remember Bergantino's email stating; Unforunately I deleted the email).
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Just FYI, I believe you are still confusing the various models. The original was the large, scooped, deep low end, sizzly top end HT210. Next, Jim came out with a much smaller 's' model, using the same tweeter and I believe the same drivers as the original HT210 as part of the modular HT322, called the 's' stack. Finally, he came out with the revision of the discontinued SA210, called the HS210, which has a much tighter, mid present voicing (hence the 'high sensitivity' name) and a totally different tweeter. He then added a neo cab with a somewhat similar design as the HS210, called the AE210 (NICE 210!)

These are best thought of as completely differently voiced cabs, versus 'updates' or different versions of an original cab. The only 210's currently in Jim's line are the very nice AE210 (neo) and the HS210 (the SA210 'update').

Based on my experience with the SWR GJr. III, which I continue to describe as one of the lamest 210's ever (love the GIII though), it blows my mind you would think the GJr. could keep up volume-wise with any of the four Berg 210 executions. Just IMO and IME, since I've played or owned all these cabs at one point!:) I've never been able to 'fart out' either the HT210s or the HS210, but easily drove that GJr. III to beyond xmax and I think xlim or whatever (it farted in a big way with any sort of low end pumped into it, even at low volumes).

I will agree though that the original HT210 (which it seems it the one you owned) is among my least favorite 210's, and my least favorite Berg designs... way to much deep low end, way too heavy, not enough mid character or punch. That particular Berg craved a LOT of power, and if you weren't cranking a good 500+ watts into it, it could sound a bit anemic, which is possibly what you are describing. The current HS210 is a totally, completely different beast IMO and IME.
 
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KJung said:
Just FYI, I believe you are still confusing the various models. The original was the large, scooped, deep low end, sizzly top end HT210. Next, Jim came out with a much smaller 's' model, using the same tweeter and I believe the same drivers as the original HT210 as part of the modular HT322, called the 's' stack. Finally, he came out with the revision of the discontinued SA210, called the HS210, which has a much tighter, mid present voicing (hence the 'high sensitivity' name) and a totally different tweeter. He then added a neo cab with a somewhat similar design as the HS210, called the AE210 (NICE 210!)

These are best thought of as completely differently voiced cabs, versus 'updates' or different versions of an original cab. The only 210's currently in Jim's line are the very nice AE210 (neo) and the HS210 (the SA210 'update').

Based on my experience with the SWR GJr. III, which I continue to describe as one of the lamest 210's ever (love the GIII though), it blows my mind you would think the GJr. could keep up volume-wise with any of the four Berg 210 executions. Just IMO and IME, since I've played or owned all these cabs at one point!:) I've never been able to 'fart out' either the HT210s or the HS210, but easily drove that GJr. III to beyond xmax and I think xlim or whatever (it farted in a big way with any sort of low end pumped into it, even at low volumes).

I will agree though that the original HT210 (which it seems it the one you owned) is among my least favorite 210's, and my least favorite Berg designs... way to much deep low end, way too heavy, not enough mid character or punch. That particular Berg craved a LOT of power, and if you weren't cranking a good 500+ watts into it, it could sound a bit anemic, which is possibly what you are describing. The current HS210 is a totally, completely different beast IMO and IME.
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That sounds correct Ken. I remember e-mailing Bergantino to see which model I had (both times) and all I remember was him making a statement about an "S" being on the S/N plate for the new version. I guess that I didn't realize that he changed the design that drastically. Just my luck that both of them I purchased were the old model. :crying:

At any rate, I'd stay away from the original design. It wasn't good at all.
 
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JOME77 said:
That sounds correct Ken. I remember e-mailing Bergantino to see which model I had (both times) and all I remember was him making a statement about an "S" being on the S/N plate for the new version. I guess that I didn't realize that he changed the design that drastically. Just my luck that both of them I purchased were the old model. :crying:

At any rate, I'd stay away from the original design. It wasn't good at all.
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+1 That first Berg 210 was not my idea of a good time. Both the current HS210 and especially the AE210 are quite nice.. punchy, tight, articulate, and not boomy at all.
 
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KJung said:
Based on my experience with the SWR GJr. III, which I continue to describe as one of the lamest 210's ever (love the GIII though), it blows my mind you would think the GJr. could keep up volume-wise with any of the four Berg 210 executions. Just IMO and IME, since I've played or owned all these cabs at one point!:) I've never been able to 'fart out' either the HT210s or the HS210, but easily drove that GJr. III to beyond xmax and I think xlim or whatever (it farted in a big way with any sort of low end pumped into it, even at low volumes).
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I thought my 8 omh Gol Jrs. were much better standalones than my 4 ohm HT210S. :eek:
 
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CaptainWally said:
I thought my 8 omh Gol Jrs. were much better standalones than my 4 ohm HT210S. :eek:
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I would agree that 2 x Gjr's could be fine and would put out more volume than any single 210, but a single Gjr. versus an HT210s... not in my experience. I just feel those GJrIII's were horrible, and were the only cabs I've ever had 'fart' at low volumes with even a touch of low end. IMO. I liked the tone a lot, just not the performance regarding volume. I believe that's the same cab as the redhead combo, which was also awful IMO.
 
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rodl2005 said:
Thanx Ken- appreciate the info. So you'd reccomend the HS210 as a good 210 cab? I'm toying with the idea of either one of these or shelling out for a new AE112- to go w/ my GS112- this seems like the BEST match??? What do U think?
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I've always been a big fan of using two of the same speakers with two cab set-ups. If you like the sound of your GS112, you will LOVE the sound, volume and low end of two of them. If you don't paraticularly like the tone of your GS112, IMO, sell it and get two of a cab that you like (AE112, HS120, whatever). IMO. Mixing and matching cabs 'can' sound OK, it usually will not sound as good as 2 x the same cab, and sometimes can really be a problem with phasing, different SPL, etc., etc.

IMO!
 

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