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Bergantino IP112 - Holy @*#&!

#162
FenderP said:
Sounds like we have a similar setup, the_dude (SVP-CL + IP). I don't have the EX, but auditioned it with the IP. I just don't need the extra power, but it does 'widen' the sound a bit.

As is, sound guys don't need to mic or DI me any more with the IP :)
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I hear you there. It is big with the IP and huge with the EX.
 
#164
curt basner said:
Hey Tom,

One more question. Where would I find a Tube Works Blue Tube. I've searched the internet and found absolutely no references to that preamp. Can you give me a clue as to where I might read about it and purchase one?

Thanks!
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Just search the classifieds here, bassgear.com, ebay, musicgoround.com, gbase.com, whatever.

Here is a shot of one of mine (I think this is the one I sold - had two for a while):

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#165
curt basner said:
Hey Tom,

One more question. Where would I find a Tube Works Blue Tube. I've searched the internet and found absolutely no references to that preamp. Can you give me a clue as to where I might read about it and purchase one?

Thanks!
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The Blue Tube is an overdrive pedal with a single tube inside and was made for guitar. Really surprised me to see Tom mention it and how highly he thinks of it and also surprised to see the rack mount unit, which I hadn't been aware of.

One of my friends was using one years ago when they first came out and really liked it too.
 
#166
Akami said:
The Blue Tube is an overdrive pedal with a single tube inside and was made for guitar. Really surprised me to see Tom mention it and how highly he thinks of it and also surprised to see the rack mount unit, which I hadn't been aware of.

One of my friends was using one years ago when they first came out and really liked it too.
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My two rackmount Blue Tubes don't do near as much "overdrive" as the Tube Drivers. IME, the Blue Tube rackmount can offer some tube warmth and a tad of grit, but also offers an excellent clean tone that is full, complex, but very tight and undistorted. It's not super flexible, EQ wise, but it's flexible enough. For the $100 or so they command used, though, it's one of my favorite "preamps" for the money.

Tom.
 
#167
I'm not going to get into the fray on this but I'll just say that I auditioned an IP112/EX112 stack yesterday and in my (reasonably educated) opinion, the IP series lives up to or exceeds the hype. This is an incredibly well-engineered piece of equipment and sounds absolutely wonderful as well as being stupid loud. I must have one.



Many thanks to Dave at Club Bass for the audition and good conversation about basses, amps and mountain biking. Anyone coming to Toronto needs to go there.

And why oh why did I pick up that Rob Allen MB-2?
 
#168
Do you ip112+ex owners think that this combo can handle any type of gig?...I'm really considering letting go of my db750, if these babies can do it all!...anyone tried the setup with the Aggie Db680 preamp! I bet that would be a great sounding, flexible and portable rig. I'll still keep my nv610 and NV215 and probably pair them with an all-tube head in the future...hmmm, if only Jim had a dealer in scandinavia! ;-)
 
#169
Hi,
I bought my rig last week. I played an outdoor party last night and had no trouble hearing myself running my bass through a Countryman DI and then using the pass-thru into the amp. Bass was running through PA also. We've got a powerful drummer and two electric guitars and a lead singer.
I'll be playing a big outdoor stage in a couple of weeks, that will be the true test. I don't think it will be a problem as the clarity of these cabs makes them much more intelligable than any other cabs I have owned.

On another note, I was not overwhelmed with the tone I was getting with my bass straight into the amp. Good but not great. I called Bergantino and spoke with Jim. I read my serial number to him and he confirmed that my amp had the pre-production DSP programming. He said he would pay for shipping the amp to/from and turn it around in one day.

Also, I will be getting a pre-amp to run into. I need to hook up a tuner and want to have a mute button to use while tuning and while on break. I also found that, while using the pre section on my SVT-3PRO I could get a better tone and more volume out of the stack. Last night I had my bass and the amp maxed out. Plenty of volume, but that was it. Might need more for a large outdoor stage where I'm standing a ways from the rig.

Bob
 
#171
bobaloo said:
Hi,
I bought my rig last week. I played an outdoor party last night and had no trouble hearing myself running my bass through a Countryman DI and then using the pass-thru into the amp. Bass was running through PA also. We've got a powerful drummer and two electric guitars and a lead singer.
I'll be playing a big outdoor stage in a couple of weeks, that will be the true test. I don't think it will be a problem as the clarity of these cabs makes them much more intelligable than any other cabs I have owned.

On another note, I was not overwhelmed with the tone I was getting with my bass straight into the amp. Good but not great. I called Bergantino and spoke with Jim. I read my serial number to him and he confirmed that my amp had the pre-production DSP programming. He said he would pay for shipping the amp to/from and turn it around in one day.

Also, I will be getting a pre-amp to run into. I need to hook up a tuner and want to have a mute button to use while tuning and while on break. I also found that, while using the pre section on my SVT-3PRO I could get a better tone and more volume out of the stack. Last night I had my bass and the amp maxed out. Plenty of volume, but that was it. Might need more for a large outdoor stage where I'm standing a ways from the rig.

Bob
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Try this.....

Take a SansAmp BDDI, a Boss Tuner and any other effects PLUS your Countryman and make your self a small pedal board.

Don't run the BDDI more than 50% (help keep a lot of your basses tone while adding some character) and run everything into the Countryman. Then one out to FOH and one to your IP.

A LOT of people do not like the SansAmp stuff but I gotta tell ya I have had GREAT success with them live running direct.

IF, and this is a big IF, I go IP after hearing my NV's and DB750 then this is exactly what I will do. I would still try some other pres too but my little Direct/FOH pedalboard rules.
 
#172
the dude said:
If you can go someplace to hear the ip112 + ex, I suggest you do.

I would be surprised if you liked the db750/ht/ex better - and you can save 35 lbs and an extra heavy rack. The db750 is awesome, but if the ip + ex is enough (and it is more than you would think and certainly no less than the db750/ht/ex) then you can majorly lighten and simplify your load.

I've got a power conditioner, svpcl and tuner in a 3 space Gator that goes with the ip + ex to practice - and for it's size, it kills.
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DUDE MAN!??? Are you telling me that you are using the IP's now instead of the dual NV/SVT rig? :confused: :confused:

How do they compare? I gotta quit reading about gear. I have never been one for having GAS but damn all the Berg stuff is killing me.
 
#173
BigMikeW said:
Try this.....

Take a SansAmp BDDI, a Boss Tuner and any other effects PLUS your Countryman and make your self a small pedal board.

Don't run the BDDI more than 50% (help keep a lot of your basses tone while adding some character) and run everything into the Countryman. Then one out to FOH and one to your IP.

A LOT of people do not like the SansAmp stuff but I gotta tell ya I have had GREAT success with them live running direct.

IF, and this is a big IF, I go IP after hearing my NV's and DB750 then this is exactly what I will do. I would still try some other pres too but my little Direct/FOH pedalboard rules.
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Currently, I'm using the Sansamp BDDI as a pre for my IP 310. It sounds incredible, but I'm eagerly awaiting the release of the new Bergantino line driver (due out in the next month or so), as I mostly like the sound of my active basses running straight into the IP 310, with nothing to "color" the sound.

I'd say those interested in the IP series should definitely look into the new Berg line driver as a key part of their rig -- the reviews of the test sample by Tom suggest it's a must-try in figuring out the best way to make use of the IP series.

And Mike, if you're one to avoid GAS, you might want to stay clear of trying the IP 310, especially combined with the IP 212, from what I've heard . . . :D

In any event, I think you'll be thrilled with the NV610.
 
#174
BigMikeW said:
DUDE MAN!??? Are you telling me that you are using the IP's now instead of the dual NV/SVT rig? :confused: :confused:

How do they compare? I gotta quit reading about gear. I have never been one for having GAS but damn all the Berg stuff is killing me.
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Instead of? Heck no! The dNV/SVT is my sound. I will never give that rig up.

..but, for hauling to practice? For smaller gigs? The dNV/SVT is a lot of rig. For me, the IPs really fill that order in spades. ...and not that IPs are a small gig rig - but if I have the room and the situation is appropriate, for my money it is dNV/SVT all the way!

IP vs NV? It's not the same sound - but it is a *very* cool sound. I've not had a chance to do an a/b comparison, but I don't view it as a replacement - rather a supplement.

And I totally hear you on the reading, (damn TB!) gas and Berg issues. I have them all. Before I found this place, I was blissfully going along fine. Had never even heard of Bergantino. Then again, I'm glad I found them.
 
#175
bobaloo said:
On another note, I was not overwhelmed with the tone I was getting with my bass straight into the amp. Good but not great. I called Bergantino and spoke with Jim. I read my serial number to him and he confirmed that my amp had the pre-production DSP programming. He said he would pay for shipping the amp to/from and turn it around in one day.
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Hey Bob.

I think one of the strengths of the IP cabs is how well they work with different preamps - and how different each make the IP cabs sound.

Also, imo, there is no comparison on the volume you can get with a pre vs. without. Of course, I only play passive basses, but even so.

A good preamp makes these cabs work magic. I highly recommend everyone who tries them at least tries out there favorite pre flavor.
 
#176
Well, if anyone wants to hear the IP112 + SVP-CL live, come see one of our upcoming gigs:
June 3, 2006 - The Corner Pocket Cafe (Orange, CT)
June 10, 2006 - The Skybar (Somerville, MA)
June 24, 2006 - Juice Monkey Hut (Pittsfield, ME)
July 22, 2006 - The Skybar (Somerville, MA)
August 11, 2006 - Rick's Billiards (Putnam, CT)
 
#177
bobaloo said:
Hi,
I bought my rig last week. I played an outdoor party last night and had no trouble hearing myself running my bass through a Countryman DI and then using the pass-thru into the amp. Bass was running through PA also. We've got a powerful drummer and two electric guitars and a lead singer.
I'll be playing a big outdoor stage in a couple of weeks, that will be the true test. I don't think it will be a problem as the clarity of these cabs makes them much more intelligable than any other cabs I have owned.

On another note, I was not overwhelmed with the tone I was getting with my bass straight into the amp. Good but not great. I called Bergantino and spoke with Jim. I read my serial number to him and he confirmed that my amp had the pre-production DSP programming. He said he would pay for shipping the amp to/from and turn it around in one day.

Also, I will be getting a pre-amp to run into. I need to hook up a tuner and want to have a mute button to use while tuning and while on break. I also found that, while using the pre section on my SVT-3PRO I could get a better tone and more volume out of the stack. Last night I had my bass and the amp maxed out. Plenty of volume, but that was it. Might need more for a large outdoor stage where I'm standing a ways from the rig.

Bob
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The fact that you already gigged the pre-production DSP makes your next review all that much more to look forward to.
Since you didn't like the sound just plugging your bass straight in I'm really interested in whether or not you like it after the upgrade.

Is there really any reason for Jim not to just put a preamp inside the thing and have Bergantino combo amps?
As much interest as he's drummed up just with the IP's, and now the talk of a line driver, it seems to me that a combo with eq (and a tuner out) would be the next step.

I don't know if anyone else is interested, but I sure am!:D
 
#178
Akami said:
The fact that you already gigged the pre-production DSP makes your next review all that much more to look forward to.
Since you didn't like the sound just plugging your bass straight in I'm really interested in whether or not you like it after the upgrade.

Is there really any reason for Jim not to just put a preamp inside the thing and have Bergantino combo amps?
As much interest as he's drummed up just with the IP's, and now the talk of a line driver, it seems to me that a combo with eq (and a tuner out) would be the next step.

I don't know if anyone else is interested, but I sure am!:D
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Not sure about that but I could see him making "airhead" versions.

Man, that would kill. Here is what I would love to see:

- 8 ohm IP210 with four rack spaces.
- 8 ohm EX212

I could almost guarantee I'd buy it.
 
#179
Hi,
Thanks to all for the inputs regarding pre's, etc. The Sansamp pedalboard idea is good but, since I use a wireless sometimes and already have a rackmount I think I will go that route for ease of setup.
What is everyone's opinion of Basstasters.com in regards to how true to actual sound their samples are? I went through the pre page there with a decent set of headphones and was kind of surprised that the two I liked the best were an Aguilar db659 (no longer in production I gather) and the Fender TBP-1 (the surprise). The Fender is a bit pricey but comes with the footswitch and a Jensen transformer. I just thought it sounded good. The two Ampegs they had on there (SVP-CL and SVP-PRO) sounded muffled. I'm a bit sceptical of that since I plugged the pre out of my SVT-3PRO into the Berg and it sounded great and clear. It's almost the same pre as the SVP-PRO. I was rather surprised that the XLR DI out of my 3PRO sounded completely different (in Post position) than the Preamp out jack running into the Berg. Very clean but lacking body and warmth. The Countryman, on the other hand, changed the sound of my bass very, very little either with the Bergie hooked up to the pass-through on the front or the XLR on the rear.
I love the Countryman but with a pre with a DI that sounds as good as it does, it's one less piece of gear to bring and setup.
BTW, another cool feature of the Berg: being able to A/B
DI's into a flat amp.

Bob
 
#180
bobaloo said:
Hi,
Thanks to all for the inputs regarding pre's, etc. The Sansamp pedalboard idea is good but, since I use a wireless sometimes and already have a rackmount I think I will go that route for ease of setup.
What is everyone's opinion of Basstasters.com in regards to how true to actual sound their samples are? I went through the pre page there with a decent set of headphones and was kind of surprised that the two I liked the best were an Aguilar db659 (no longer in production I gather) and the Fender TBP-1 (the surprise). The Fender is a bit pricey but comes with the footswitch and a Jensen transformer. I just thought it sounded good. The two Ampegs they had on there (SVP-CL and SVP-PRO) sounded muffled. I'm a bit sceptical of that since I plugged the pre out of my SVT-3PRO into the Berg and it sounded great and clear. It's almost the same pre as the SVP-PRO. I was rather surprised that the XLR DI out of my 3PRO sounded completely different (in Post position) than the Preamp out jack running into the Berg. Very clean but lacking body and warmth. The Countryman, on the other hand, changed the sound of my bass very, very little either with the Bergie hooked up to the pass-through on the front or the XLR on the rear.
I love the Countryman but with a pre with a DI that sounds as good as it does, it's one less piece of gear to bring and setup.
BTW, another cool feature of the Berg: being able to A/B
DI's into a flat amp.

Bob
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Basstasters is a great resource, and the clips are fairly true. I will caution, though, that with a different player, different instrument, and different associated gear, they will all sound, well, different. So, use it as a decision making aid, but reserve judgment on any given preamp until you can try it yourself. But man, what a great way to help narrow down your search! Todd has done a great job with that site.

That said, I really like both the 659 and the Fender TBP-1 (that's my Fender on the site). The Fender really does sound like those clips, but the true magic lies in the range of EQ'd and overdriven tones. You can get a lot of variety out of the Fender, but it takes some tweaking.

Tom.
 

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