Best 15” speaker

[agedhorse]

Comparing two speakers that have different construction and then coming to the conclusion that the difference heard is because of the ribs doesn’t make sense. The two cones are so different (materials and construction) that the ribs are a much smaller contributor to the sound than the materials used.

 

[Al Kraft]

It's funny how we sometimes assume differences we can plainly see are more significant than major design/performance drivers that are not detectable by a visual inspection.

 

[abarson]

OP left a long time ago. Where we at?

 

[isaac42]

As reconing has been mentioned several times, are there any good, reputable reconers still around? I have a couple of JBL E110s I'd like to have reconed. I recognize that original recone kits are long since gone, but I'd think that a good speaker could still be made from the old frame and magnet structure. Whether or not it would be worth doing is another question.

 

[agedhorse]

As reconing has been mentioned several times, are there any good, reputable reconers still around? I have a couple of JBL E110s I'd like to have reconed. I recognize that original recone kits are long since gone, but I'd think that a good speaker could still be made from the old frame and magnet structure. Whether or not it would be worth doing is another question.

These guys are good, it's what was reborn after the Orange County Speaker family closed up, many of the same guys. I actually went through the JBL school with one of the family members back in the early 1980's. They show that they do have the original factory parts for the E-110's, they were a well connected JBL service center (in part due to their location) and well respected.

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[isaac42]

These guys are good, it's what was reborn after the Orange County Speaker family closed up, many of the same guys. I actually went through the JBL school with one of the family members back in the early 1980's. They show that they do have the original factory parts for the E-110's, they were a well connected JBL service center (in part due to their location) and well respected.

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Or maybe not quite:

Original parts for the D110, K110, and E110 Series are

longer available, but we have (SRP Parts) kits that are built

to the original specs.

Should be close enough, though.
Thanks.

 

[agedhorse]

Or maybe not quite:
Should be close enough, though.
Thanks.

I didn’t read down far enough. The original E110 kits were still available a few years back but not now.

 

[BruceG63]

Comparing two speakers that have different construction and then coming to the conclusion that the difference heard is because of the ribs doesn’t make sense. The two cones are so different (materials and construction) that the ribs are a much smaller contributor to the sound than the materials used.

agedhorse Im just going by by what the WGS website says about those 2 speakers.From the pics it looks like the ribbed cone is the one with the seam.Like I said I really liked the sound of the G12C/S smoothcone in the 84 Fender Concert amp.I heard other speakers in that amp and liked the G12C/S the best along with others that heard the comparisons.I didnt have the WGS G12C ribbed cone for comparison.. As far as the SRO 12 coming back from a recone business with a ribbed cone most likely there were many other factors in the difference in tone such as inferior materials,poor workmanship etc.When that business was contacted they told the customer they used a EV12L cone.Im just passing that along it wasnt my assumption.But my take is that WGS is selling those speakers tone differences on the point that one cone has ribs and another doesnt.I agree with what your saying that there are other differences in cone construction that lead to differences in sound but its not advertised that way.Thank you for pointing this out.

 

[DavidEdenAria]

agedhorse Im just going by by what the WGS website says about those 2 speakers.From the pics it looks like the ribbed cone is the one with the seam.Like I said I really liked the sound of the G12C/S smoothcone in the 84 Fender Concert amp.I heard other speakers in that amp and liked the G12C/S the best along with others that heard the comparisons.I didnt have the WGS G12C ribbed cone for comparison.. As far as the SRO 12 coming back from a recone business with a ribbed cone most likely there were many other factors in the difference in tone such as inferior materials,poor workmanship etc.When that business was contacted they told the customer they used a EV12L cone.Im just passing that along it wasnt my assumption.But my take is that WGS is selling those speakers tone differences on the point that one cone has ribs and another doesnt.I agree with what your saying that there are other differences in cone construction that lead to differences in sound but its not advertised that way.Thank you for pointing this out.

I remember when WGS (Warehouse guitar speakers) came out...they were successful in the guitar world pretty much from the start....Weber and a few others were building 'vintage style' guitar speakers in smaller numbers whereas the biggies like Celestion and Eminence obviously lots of very successful different speakers.

Eminence came when they were a sort of 'offshoot' of CTS and became a huge OEM company when Jensen, JBL and many others pulled out of MI and guitar speakers late 1960's....then came WGS (also in Kentucky like Eminence) who i thought were started by some ex Eminence folks, no?

 

[agedhorse]

Don't know who started it, but I'm sure the guitar rumor mill has generated some interesting stories.

In the guitar world, there are so many folklore based ideas and designs. This doesn't mean that they can't sound good, but the reasons that are given by the marketing side often bear no correlation to reality. It's just the nature of that part of the business, where smoke, mirrors and unicorn (or hemp) dust are often more related to reality than reality itself.

 

[Geri O]

Gee, I wonder why?

Imagine asking an honest question and being scolded like a belligerent child by a bunch of wannabe experts following the lead of the resident "expert". Based on several other threads featuring the aforementioned, I'm actually surprised that the OP hasn't been banned and the thread closed.

Save the meandering scientific rhetoric for those who explicitly ask for it. It's just music.

Man, if that’s your takeaway from the responses in the thread, you reaaaaaaallyy ain’t gonna like the responses yer gonna get.

And rightfully deserve…..

 

[Geri O]

He wasn’t scolded, he asked a question with no good answer then complained that the comments to that effect were no good. He then became a bit rude and a moderator stepped in to cool his jets a bit.

Since he never answered the questions that were asked, which would have helped define what was needed, he got no help. That’s on him, not on any of us, including and especially me.

I know Andy is too much of a gentleman to say that, so I’ll say it for him…

 

[BlueTalon]

It's just the nature of that part of the business, where smoke, mirrors and unicorn (or hemp) dust are often more related to reality than reality itself.

That's true of a lot more things than just speakers.

 

[isaac42]

That's true of a lot more things than just speakers.

That's pretty much the nature of marketing in general.

 

[DavidEdenAria]

Don't know who started it, but I'm sure the guitar rumor mill has generated some interesting stories.

In the guitar world, there are so many folklore based ideas and designs. This doesn't mean that they can't sound good, but the reasons that are given by the marketing side often bear no correlation to reality. It's just the nature of that part of the business, where smoke, mirrors and unicorn (or hemp) dust are often more related to reality than reality itself.

Very true....Eminence about late 1990's started selling way more of their own designs; Celestion types, different variations on Jensens etc and had success...so did Weber speakers.....Neo mag Jensens from Italy and the Eminence speaker that had the variable volume control on the back of the speaker.....most of these companies stayed in the guitar lane not as much for bass and MI but most are variations on old designs.

 

[agedhorse]

Very true....Eminence about late 1990's started selling way more of their own designs; Celestion types, different variations on Jensens etc and had success...so did Weber speakers.....Neo mag Jensens from Italy and the Eminence speaker that had the variable volume control on the back of the speaker.....most of these companies stayed in the guitar lane not as much for bass and MI but most are variations on old designs.

I have designed some guitar speakers, it’s not difficult from an engineering perspective, but the descriptions are challenging to understand.

For example, what’s a fat tone, with a caramel edge, having an aggressive air with cinnamon overtones under a pissed off dark underpinning.

With this description, I don’t know if the player is describing a speaker or a coffee drink

 

[Jeff Scott]

I have designed some guitar speakers, it’s not difficult from an engineering perspective, but the descriptions are challenging to understand.

For example, what’s a fat tone, with a caramel edge, having an aggressive air with cinnamon overtones under a pissed off dark underpinning.

With this description, I don’t know if the player is describing a speaker or a coffee drink

It's probably mush easier to design a speaker that sounds red, right?

 

[DavidEdenAria]

I have designed some guitar speakers, it’s not difficult from an engineering perspective, but the descriptions are challenging to understand.

For example, what’s a fat tone, with a caramel edge, having an aggressive air with cinnamon overtones under a pissed off dark underpinning.

With this description, I don’t know if the player is describing a speaker or a coffee drink

Eminence needs to hire you! Ive horded old 8 to 12" alnico speakers for 35+ years...Becker, Quincy, Oxford, CTS Jensen etc...there were many USA companies same as tube manufacturers...all long gone.

Eminence is a force....gotta hand it to them in my book.....lots is plain trial and error but there is a pretty good consensus among guitarists though with say a 65 Fender Deluxe Reverb.....Ted Weber RIP, he went after the old Jensen CTS thing and a little beyond.

 

[StereoPlayer]

I used to take speakers from old TVs from the curb when I was way younger!

 

[Jeff Scott]

I used to take speakers from old TVs from the curb when I was way younger!

Oh, come on, admit it. You still do.