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Best Emo/Post Hardcore Bassist?

#83
+1 to Joe Lally, Brian Cook, and Paul Hinojos.

How can you listen to Quarantined by At The Drive-In and not be infatuated? That's a classic bass line.

Also, Chad Molter of Medications, Kevin Longendyke of City of Caterpillar, Mike Petillo of A Day in Black and White, and Julia Ruzicka of Million Dead are all amazing, tasteful players in the Post Hardcore scene.

Don't you hate how Post Hardcore gets mixed up (as evidenced by some of the posts in this topic) with so much bull**** these days?
 
#86
adube810 said:
the reason why i really dont like it is because the music tries to sell this idea of straightened hair, makeup, and add depressing lyrics about how you want to kill yourself or how terrible life is that your girlfriend broke up with you and to make it all worse MTV perpetuates it and incorrectly informs children what good music is. to me, this is not what music is about. for instance, i went to go see minus the bear last year...and walked out after 20 minutes. i heard they were decent, went to go check it out and i was wrong. i have much more i could rant about...but im going to stop
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Did you see minus the bear with Portugal. The Man? I went for the purpose of seeing portugal, and was bored when minus the bear came on.
 
#87
andrew said:
I'll try you. Explain. ;)
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I've given the rant here before, so I'll just quote it.

SnakeAnthony said:
On one precious day, May 10th of 1994, the genre known as 'Emo' was born. (This is NOT to be mistaken with the genre 'Emotive Hardcore,' spun by bands like Rites of Spring and Fire Party in Washington D.C. in the 80's). On May 10th, 1994 two albums were released on the same day: Weezer's Self-Titled Blue Album, and Sunny Day Real Estate's 'Diary.'

Both albums, particularly Weezer were acknowledged with some mainstream popularity, but nothing of serious note. Sunny Day Real Estate was really just another band, while Weezer's Undone (The Sweater Song) was being played on mainstream radio as a gimmick/joke. What no one realized while they were sitting back in the radio station joking about it is that this new sound (which we now would call Emo/Indie/Garage) had created something unlike anything else up to that point. The particular combination of pop and grunge influences with expressive ('emotive') lyrics gained momentum and opened up a portal in the mainstream to music that had already existed. Bands like Fugazi and Texas Is The Reason, who had existed since the 80's/early 90's were now looked at as gods/innovators for the underground and rapidly gained popularity.

From there, 'Emo' went through many changes. Its original occurrence out of the strange combination of Noise Rock (Sonic Youth), Grunge (Nirvana), and Pop (the Beatles, the Beach Boys) roots eventually moved on to a more punk influenced mid-western sound (Cursive, The Get Up Kids). As this became popular, again on an underground level, bands started getting the idea of combining these 'Emo' roots with ideals of 90's Alt-Pop, spurring the first real occurrence of 'Emo' in the real mainstream (Jimmy Eat World).

The next wave turned this idea of Punk-Emo back to the 80's Post-Punk idea of fashion and attitude, while maintaining a completely mainstream act (Simple Plan, Good Charlotte). Meanwhile, the 'Emo' that held true to it's roots broke off to become what is now known as 'Indie Rock.'

Once this new idea of 'Emo' became popular, people started looking back at what 'Emo' originally was, and labels like Sub Pop, Jade Tree, and Saddle Creek starting tossing their acts to the masses, now seeing bands like Bright Eyes being acknowledged on a nation wide, fully mainstream scale, but generally being tagged as 'Indie.'

Recently, things have turned full swing and the break away 'Indie' and the mainstream 'Emo' have been kind of respawning into new acts like Brand New, Say Anything, and Motion City Soundtrack.

The mainstream idea of 'Emo' has again morphed into something different, what is popularly being labeled as 'Scene,' often blending 'Emo' and 'Hardcore,' to produce acts such as Senses Fail and From First To Last. While the underground idea of 'Emo' that eventually became 'Indie' has again morphed and found its own footing in mainstream music with bands like Death Cab For Cutie, Modest Mouse, and The Shins.

Talk all the **** you want about the kids that are slaves to the capitalist competitive dogma, but the history of the music itself is interesting, and I whole heartedly believe that in 15 years we'll be talking about Weezer and how they got to us wherever we are with just as much influence as the Beatles.
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#88
Trell said:
Matt Rubano of Taking Back Sunday was real good on Where You Want To Be.
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i just wanna get this out of the way....tbs is in no way hardcore or emo. nor should they ever be tagged as emo, theyre definately rock with a little something extra. and theyre next cd btw is gonna be off the wall nuts. but billy from silverstien comes to mind just for the fact that he always seems to find the sweet spot in the song and just add a complete depth to it and really just make the song, well...the song
 
#89
BurbsToo said:
Did you see minus the bear with Portugal. The Man? I went for the purpose of seeing portugal, and was bored when minus the bear came on.
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minus the bear isnt the most exciting band in the world ill give you that, but im definately pulled in by their music entirely. its somthing that very few people are doing these days...actually writing music that takes a talented person to play it. i guess when i say that i mean not many guitarists these days can actually make songs with tapping in it besides some stupidly outrageous solo and actually make the music get a hook in you. i like mtb, like i said theyre just a good change of pace as to everything else thats out there
 
#90
I never heard Weezer being called "emo" in the early days, it's only retro-actively have they been lumped into that genre. It seems every few years "emo" becomes the name of an entirely different genre. "Emo" at one time or another has meant Emotional Hardcore, Indie Rock, Alternative Rock, Noise Pop, Post-Hardcore, Post Punk, Pop Rock, and Pop Punk. This is why it's a worthless "tag" as a genre and when someone uses it in serious conversation about music I generally stop listening to what that person has to say.

Genres are strange anyhow, I mean look at Black Sabbath. If genres are used to help lump similar acts together then CURRENTLY it makes the most sense to call Sabbath "stoner rock" because that is the current name of the genre that they most closely resemble. However, old-school Sabbath fans scoff at the idea of calling them anything other than "metal," but what really do Sabbath have to do with anything that would ever be lumped into the catagory of "metal?" Very little. So, even though they are the "originators" of "metal" they don't even fit into their own genre based on current standards.

So, basically when you start over stressing genres things get really confusing. What it boils down to is that no genre is a badge of honor, nor is any genre a death sentence. It holds no significance in regards to anything other than convenience when comparing bands... a "if you like - you might like -"
 
#91
baalroo said:
I never heard Weezer being called "emo" in the early days, it's only retro-actively have they been lumped into that genre. It seems every few years "emo" becomes the name of an entirely different genre. "Emo" at one time or another has meant Emotional Hardcore, Indie Rock, Alternative Rock, Noise Pop, Post-Hardcore, Post Punk, Pop Rock, and Pop Punk. This is why it's a worthless "tag" as a genre and when someone uses it in serious conversation about music I generally stop listening to what that person has to say.

Genres are strange anyhow, I mean look at Black Sabbath. If genres are used to help lump similar acts together then CURRENTLY it makes the most sense to call Sabbath "stoner rock" because that is the current name of the genre that they most closely resemble. However, old-school Sabbath fans scoff at the idea of calling them anything other than "metal," but what really do Sabbath have to do with anything that would ever be lumped into the catagory of "metal?" Very little. So, even though they are the "originators" of "metal" they don't even fit into their own genre based on current standards.

So, basically when you start over stressing genres things get really confusing. What it boils down to is that no genre is a badge of honor, nor is any genre a death sentence. It holds no significance in regards to anything other than convenience when comparing bands... a "if you like - you might like -"
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Of course its all retrospective. That's why I attempt (but likely fail) at using 'what we know as X' as much as possible. I don't really know what to call half the music I listen to (Post-Hardcore, Post-Rock, Math Rock, X-Core, etc), but in 10 years, when this decade is being looked back upon it, I'm sure it will all get a name, and bands like Russian Circles perhaps will be heralded for it. Who knows.

But still, Weezer did those things. And all of those movements happened. We just didn't have a name for it then (although Jimmy Eat World was the first group to be openly labeled as 'emo,' and they hated it). Now it's easy to say Emo started as garage/grunge/pop, moved to indie, split from hardcore, etc, etc.
 
#92
It's a well written theory, but I have to agree with Baalroo on this one. Weezer were the first highly successful band with an element of poppy emo-ish sound in what they did, but there were bands mining the same formula long before them, like Cap'n'Jazz.

I don't think popularizing a sound or style equates with inventing it.
 
#93
andrew said:
It's a well written theory, but I have to agree with Baalroo on this one. Weezer were the first highly successful band with an element of poppy emo-ish sound in what they did, but there were bands mining the same formula long before them, like Cap'n'Jazz.

I don't think popularizing a sound or style equates with inventing it.
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Then I will alter the statement to be just as broad scoped! (:ninja:)

Weezer is responsible for the state of Emo music as we know it.
 
#94
Infernal Affair said:
I wouldn't say that they are/were. :) The only thing vaguely coming close was Pinkerton, but they neither sounded like the early emo bands (Rites of Spring, Moss Icon, etc.), the mid and late 90s bands (Texas is the Reason, Promise Ring, Jawbreaker, etc.), or even the later pop punk stuff that gets called emo these days. You might as well call The Rentals, Pavement, Dinosaur Jr., and all those other popular indie bands in the 90s emo if Weezer is.

"Emo" is a stupid term anyway that just gets tagged onto almost every band at one point. I would just call Weezer a pop-rock band. And they were a good one at that. I still don't get tired of their first album and Pinkerton.
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+1 to that :)
 
#95
Tim Ward from The Fall of Troy. I guess they probably fit the progressive hardcore genre better, but it works.

Frank Black hasn't had a real chance to strut his stuff yet.

Whoever said Eddie Breckenridge has my support, as well.
 
#96
Mr_Sore_Fingerz said:
+1 to that :)
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The issue with that post is that Emotive Hardcore had almost nothing to do with 'Emo.' They were two different things that early on had little to nothing in common beyond the 'emotional' lyrics, which is a silly comparison, IMO, because 98% of lyrics are 'emotional.'

Only by the early 00's when the idea of the music became intertwined with fashion that was, in a way, similar to the fashion of the 80's, did the two become related.

Early 'emo' bands are what we call indie bands now. Weezer/Modest Mouse/Cursive. The word has simply been recycled so many times that it's easy to say that Weezer has nothing to do with Emo because they sound nothing like From First to Last, or they have nothing to do with emo because they sound nothing like Simple Plan, or " " nothing like Motion City Soundtrack. To be truly correct about any of this, you have to look at the changes in the music and the term that connect all of them.
 
#100
SnakeAnthony said:
The issue with that post is that Emotive Hardcore had almost nothing to do with 'Emo.' They were two different things that early on had little to nothing in common beyond the 'emotional' lyrics, which is a silly comparison, IMO, because 98% of lyrics are 'emotional.'

Only by the early 00's when the idea of the music became intertwined with fashion that was, in a way, similar to the fashion of the 80's, did the two become related.

Early 'emo' bands are what we call indie bands now. Weezer/Modest Mouse/Cursive. The word has simply been recycled so many times that it's easy to say that Weezer has nothing to do with Emo because they sound nothing like From First to Last, or they have nothing to do with emo because they sound nothing like Simple Plan, or " " nothing like Motion City Soundtrack. To be truly correct about any of this, you have to look at the changes in the music and the term that connect all of them.
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I think Weezer has nothing to do with emo as a genre (though they are often an emotional band) because they weren't part of the culture that spawned the term originally. Emotive hardcore and emo do have a lot to do with each other. They all came from the same place, it's just a matter of different bands mixing both the heavy/angry and poppy/sassy elements in different amounts and extremes until there emerged a group of bands entirely from the sassy/poppy camp (promise ring, the entire 90's deep elm catalogue, etc.) from which Weezer may have drawn their influence from the same ones as those bands.

To me Weezer has always just been a cool anomaly band; one not really part of the post hardcore/emo culture, but a band widely enjoyed by people who participate in those cultures. Like the Smiths. The Smiths are widely loved by many people in the hardcore scene, but you would never think of them as a hardcore band just because they are revered in that scene.
 

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