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Best Emo/Post Hardcore Bassist?

#101
SnakeAnthony said:
Early 'emo' bands are what we call indie bands now. Weezer/Modest Mouse/Cursive. The word has simply been recycled so many times that it's easy to say that Weezer has nothing to do with Emo because they sound nothing like From First to Last, or they have nothing to do with emo because they sound nothing like Simple Plan, or " " nothing like Motion City Soundtrack. To be truly correct about any of this, you have to look at the changes in the music and the term that connect all of them.
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But that's my point, "emo" is a crap title for a genre and saying anyone other than the original dc guys are "responsible" for it is just more confusing. It's a useless tag as a genre and should not be used for precisely the reason you stated. You are right that Weezer influenced a lot of pop, rock, and "indie" groups and that Weezer had obvious influences from the emotive hardcore stuff, but to inject the term "emo" is not helpful at all at this point. They weren't called "emo" at the time, and they're not what we call "emo" now.

It's not a matter of "I like weezer and I don't want them associated with emo, cuz emo is lame" it's just not a useful comparison.
 
#103
Pearldiver said:
I take issue with the idea there is a difference between "emotive hardcore" and "emo".

Regardless, the genre was born out of Dischord Records in DC.
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I started that EXACT post. Same words and all. Then didn't feel like posting it because it likely sounded condescending. The two aren't even related. Not even sort of.

andrew said:
That's not something I think they deserve any praise for. :rollno:
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Your opinion. I think the past three years have seen a high point in most of this music.

andrew said:
I think Weezer has nothing to do with emo as a genre (though they are often an emotional band) because they weren't part of the culture that spawned the term originally. Emotive hardcore and emo do have a lot to do with each other. They all came from the same place, it's just a matter of different bands mixing both the heavy/angry and poppy/sassy elements in different amounts and extremes until there emerged a group of bands entirely from the sassy/poppy camp (promise ring, the entire 90's deep elm catalogue, etc.) from which Weezer may have drawn their influence from the same ones as those bands.

To me Weezer has always just been a cool anomaly band; one not really part of the post hardcore/emo culture, but a band widely enjoyed by people who participate in those cultures. Like the Smiths. The Smiths are widely loved by many people in the hardcore scene, but you would never think of them as a hardcore band just because they are revered in that scene.
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Emo wasn't used by anyone as anything more than a joke until the mid 90s. Emotive Hardcore was a well known genre of the 80s. Emotive hardcore was pretty much only out of DC. I can't think of a single 'emo' band from DC. Emo was indie. Emotive hardcore was hardcore.

Post-Punk (the Smiths) also doesn't even appear as much of an influence in Emo music until recently.
 
#104
baalroo said:
But that's my point, "emo" is a crap title for a genre and saying anyone other than the original dc guys are "responsible" for it is just more confusing. It's a useless tag as a genre and should not be used for precisely the reason you stated. You are right that Weezer influenced a lot of pop, rock, and "indie" groups and that Weezer had obvious influences from the emotive hardcore stuff, but to inject the term "emo" is not helpful at all at this point. They weren't called "emo" at the time, and they're not what we call "emo" now.

It's not a matter of "I like weezer and I don't want them associated with emo, cuz emo is lame" it's just not a useful comparison.
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I'm not defending its use. I'm saying it is used, and we have to deal with it. Hippie was, is, and always will be the name for hippie culture, and no one hated that more than original hippies. Emo was, is, and probably always will be the defining description of this sweeping array of genres, and no one hated that more than its originators (Weezer, Jimmy Eat World), etc.
 
#106
SnakeAnthony said:
I started that EXACT post. Same words and all. Then didn't feel like posting it because it likely sounded condescending. The two aren't even related. Not even sort of.

Your opinion. I think the past three years have seen a high point in most of this music.

Emo wasn't used by anyone as anything more than a joke until the mid 90s. Emotive Hardcore was a well known genre of the 80s. Emotive hardcore was pretty much only out of DC. I can't think of a single 'emo' band from DC. Emo was indie. Emotive hardcore was hardcore.

Post-Punk (the Smiths) also doesn't even appear as much of an influence in Emo music until recently.
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Yes, they are related.

And thinking the past few years have been a high point in this genre is most definitely your opinion.

You are taking a lot of your own opinions and presenting them as facts. As facts they are not correct.

The Smiths were definitely an influence on many bands before the past few years. Where are you coming up with these ideas?
 
#108
BigBassBob said:
A lot of people consider Coheed and Cambria "emo". I can see why, but I'd rather call them "the Rush for my generation" :)

If you call them emo, I'd say Mike Todd is the best emo bassist out there. Just IMO of course :hyper:
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Couldn't agree more, with all parts of your statement. Coheed and Cambria is phenominal and yet somehow is "emo"... (Not sure I ever understood why). IMHO, They are as you said, the rush of our generation - exceptionally skilled and creating technically challenging songs. Sounds more progressive rock/metal if you ask me :D
 
#112
Heres a few

Mike Tyson (Hopesfall)
Matt Rubano (Taking Back Sunday)
Eddie Breckenridge (Thrice)
Scott Shoenbeck (Dashboard Confessional)

These are my favorites, Love Mike, and Scott is just awesome, him live really makes DC just awesome, love or hate, these dudes are good
 
#116
best mentioned so far:

joe lally
paul hinojos
whichever member of bear vs. shark was tracking the bass parts on their first album... i know they used to switch off and i forget who was the primary guy

but how has nobody mentioned jason black of hot water music????? definitely my favorite bass player in this genre, has amazing tone, great independent & melodic lines that really add to the song, all while keeping a great pocket w/ the drummer... two guys w/ very unique styles who worked so well together. "fuel for the hate game" is the album to hear if you haven't heard this band.

jeff goddard (formerly of Karate) is also an awesome bass player with a very jazzy feel & tone.

i don't know if people consider June of 44 to be post-hardcore or emo (probably more like math-rock) but Fred Erskine is a filthy, filthy bass player.
 
#117
Weezer kicks ass! The Blue album always makes me smile.
Rock it loud and have some fun... how can you not with lyrics like these?...

"I've got the dungeon Master's Guide
I've got a 12-sided die
I've got Kitty Pryde
and Nightcrawler too
Waiting there for me
yes I do, I do

I've got posters on the wall
My favorite rock group KISS
I've got Ace Frehley
I've got Peter Criss
Waiting there for me
yes I do, I do"

Music of my generation. Turn it up!!!
 
#118
also that timeline of how weezer are responsible for emo and all those other bands and subgenres evolved is just LOL-bad. weezer have never had any connection with, or anything to do with, that scene... they are a pop rock band (and a very good one at that) modeled on other pop / rock / grunge bands like nirvana, cheap trick and kiss. the only similarity between the blue album and all the other stuff mentioned is that it came out around the same time.

weezer as influential as the beatles. hahahahahahahaha that's great. in case anyone was thinking about taking your opinion seriously that should help them make up their minds.
 
#120
max8899 said:
I really like the guy from 30 seconds to mars
especially in the song a beautiful lie
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he jumped ship and went to that abomination known as angels and airwaves. that band is like scientology or guns and roses.. lots of talented individuals under the power of a leader that is bat**** crazy.

atom willard (of offspring and rockets from the crypt fame), matt wachter (of 30stm), and david kennedy (of boxcar racer). ALL under the crazed leadership of the stick in tom delonge's ass. :scowl:
 

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