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There's no need to poke holes in the story, the holes are already there and people are pointing them out.
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Beware Fodera's "certified pre-owned" web page and consignment deals
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There's no need to poke holes in the story, the holes are already there and people are pointing them out.
That was address to the general public not just you, Brad.
This whole thread is hypothetical.
I never said that you were vouching for anyone. It's not all about you, Brad.No one is vouching for anyone, though it's pretty clear a few of you are trying to poke holes in his story. Because...
I can only guess as to why.
I don't need to be asked nor do I need your permission, Brad
There's no need to poke holes in the story, the holes are already there and people are pointing them out.
Finally a man with an objective veiwpoint and some common sense.
I guess they must like me better.Then I guess I would've been an idiot because I've called them in the past to get an idea of the value of my older Anthony Jackson contrabass. They couldn't tell me the value without seeing it, which would involve me sending it to them.
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- If u saw an old man/woman or non-musician selling an Vintage Fender, like hmm pre CBS P bass, for 300 $, would u tell him/her that the bass worths MUCH more then it is, or you are going to buy it and keep/sell it and tell everyone what a deal u had?
Ask yourself this. But just be sincere to urself.
BTW Did u pay more for the bass because it's that historical and made from same boards of wood like Victor's? Huh? Or u payed the traditional (let's say that) price for an Ying Yang bass?
Ask yourself this. But just be sincere to urself.
BTW Did u pay more for the bass because it's that historical and made from same boards of wood like Victor's? Huh? Or u payed the traditional (let's say that) price for an Ying Yang bass?
How much was paid for the bass originally and how much it was actually worth compared to the final selling price is irrelevant.
"Mike" was acting on behalf of Fodera in the capacity of agent for the seller "Robert". "Mike" was responsible for appraising the seller's bass and advertising it and selling it for the highest price possible giving the seller 80% and Fodera & "Mike" 20%.
As an agent for the seller, "Mike" was required to give the actual appraised value of the bass $12000 not $7800. He should not have purchased the bass (at a low ball price) in order to skim the profit by flipping the bass to a real buyer.
It is just wrong in every sense.
"Mike" was acting on behalf of Fodera in the capacity of agent for the seller "Robert". "Mike" was responsible for appraising the seller's bass and advertising it and selling it for the highest price possible giving the seller 80% and Fodera & "Mike" 20%.
As an agent for the seller, "Mike" was required to give the actual appraised value of the bass $12000 not $7800. He should not have purchased the bass (at a low ball price) in order to skim the profit by flipping the bass to a real buyer.
It is just wrong in every sense.
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The questions here are:
Who appraised the bass for $12,000?
Did it actually sell for $12,000?
How many times did the bass sell during the time period in question which may be about 2 months?
Was the bass actually selling for $12,000 or was that number thrown out to what appeared to be a "tire kicker" on the phone?
That was address to the general public not just you, Brad.
Then maybe you should learn to not quote an individual when you get on your soapbox.
And "not just you" means it was addressed to me too. I answered for me. Duh.
Yes, some of you are. You can come up with hypothetical situations and then cop out when asked to addressed the actual relevant one. Hail to the king.
You're the one who keeps trying to make this about you and your experiences, not me.
Who brought up vouching?
Duh.
There's no need to poke holes in the story, the holes are already there and people are pointing them out.
So let me get this straight... if this story is true AND SO FAR NO ONE INVOLVED HAS COME FORWARD TO DISPUTE IT (maybe no one at Fodera has heard about this thread yet), the "holes" are what exactly?
What I see here is people looking for holes. That's pretty obvious.
An objective viewpoint and some common sense? This is what it looks like.
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this is a dead thread until there is a resolution.
If Mike did what the OP said and intentionally double dipped on the sale, he is an un-ethical douchbag and should be publicly chastised and cast off from any affiliation to F's certified re-seller process.
If he didn't, and in some way accidentally caused the chain of events that shorted the seller, then he should make it right by sending the balance (or at least the bulk of it) to the seller, and try to be more aware of the SOP for being a consignment broker.
Sorry for the humpteenth dose of common sense in this thread.
Let the sissy fight continue....
If Mike did what the OP said and intentionally double dipped on the sale, he is an un-ethical douchbag and should be publicly chastised and cast off from any affiliation to F's certified re-seller process.
If he didn't, and in some way accidentally caused the chain of events that shorted the seller, then he should make it right by sending the balance (or at least the bulk of it) to the seller, and try to be more aware of the SOP for being a consignment broker.
Sorry for the humpteenth dose of common sense in this thread.
Let the sissy fight continue....
"Mike" took advantage of his job to make money over one of Fodera's customers.
Around here it would be called an "abuse of position" and punished by the law.
In USA, I have no idea.
To put things in perspective, picture a realtor who, instead of getting the best price for his customers will buy the house from them and then resell it double the price.
At this point, the commission he gets isn't due because he didn't accomplish his mission.
"Mike" did exactly the same thing.
Around here it would be called an "abuse of position" and punished by the law.
In USA, I have no idea.
To put things in perspective, picture a realtor who, instead of getting the best price for his customers will buy the house from them and then resell it double the price.
At this point, the commission he gets isn't due because he didn't accomplish his mission.
"Mike" did exactly the same thing.
This whole saga would not necessarily keep me from buying a Fodera (if I wanted one),
But it might make me think twice before using them as a sales agent should I ever want to sell.
But it might make me think twice before using them as a sales agent should I ever want to sell.
I think its criminal enough selling a piece of wood for $12k alone..but then again no one is forced to pay it
A lot of people here seem to be taking this one sided story as truth based solely on the fact that no one from Fodera is a member or chooses to participate.
I have spoken with Joey before (once again, making it about my experiences) about Talkbass issues and he said that they don't have time to come on these forums and bicker with people, he said it makes them look bad and the people who do the flaming are never going to buy Fodera guitars. The people who know Joey and Vinnie (again, not vouching for "Mike") know that they have integrety, take care of their customers and offer a great product and great customer service.
I have seen other luthiers who come on Talkbass and dog out the competitors and I admire Fodera for staying out of the rumor mill.
I refuse to base a decision based on half of the story, it's too bad that others choose to do so, and on a public forum.
I have spoken with Joey before (once again, making it about my experiences) about Talkbass issues and he said that they don't have time to come on these forums and bicker with people, he said it makes them look bad and the people who do the flaming are never going to buy Fodera guitars. The people who know Joey and Vinnie (again, not vouching for "Mike") know that they have integrety, take care of their customers and offer a great product and great customer service.
I have seen other luthiers who come on Talkbass and dog out the competitors and I admire Fodera for staying out of the rumor mill.
I refuse to base a decision based on half of the story, it's too bad that others choose to do so, and on a public forum.
As it shouldn't.
Or at least ask some questions before selling, as it should.
