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Big E Speakers Part 4 - Quadraphenia

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It is actually based on the MA109 that was designed to be a less expensive alternative to the MAS cabs. I think the MA109 came out before the 12s. With the new speaker it's a different animal.
 
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Is this the pic you're talking about RAD?
 
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I was about to say that the 18Sound 112 is my favorite of the 112s, then I realized it's the only one I've heard! I've imagined the others vividly, though. ;) For my tastes, I'm pretty sure I'd like it more than the Faital... maybe more than the LPT - would be pretty interested in hearing an LPT, and very interested in hearing the newest of the 112s and the 110, though I like my 112 a lot as is. Wonder what a stack of the 110s would sound like, and where such an animal would fall, feel and output-wise, in the Big E lineup and compared to, say, a good 210, 310, 212...

Mike, if you're reading this, have you tried a stack of the 110s? Would they stack vertically, horizontally, or both? I see that the mids on the 110 are mounted on the angled parts of the baffle (if that's the right term - I'm not sure what to call everything on these cabs). One thing I like about my 112, which has the mids similarly mounted, is that I can stand right on top of the thing on a crowded stage and hear everything clearly. The 112 also has the tweet on the upward-facing angle (and, yes, I run that "on" the majority of the time), where the 110 appears to have it face directly forward. The mids would have the bulk of the critical info, I'd think, but I wonder how this cab would do relative to the 112 in the "stand right on top of it" department. It is a smaller cab. Also wonder if you'd recommend elevating or angling the thing up or if on the floor is the preferred mode of operation.

Mike has recommended that I try elevating the Flex stack a bit - I've been too lazy to, though I have elevated the top when I've run that solo. The 112 is happy on the floor.
 
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radbass said:
I've been really negligent about posting. It's been weeks since I've heard the MAS112 and the MAS 109 with the new custom drivers and since then I have one of each. I first heard the 112 at Mike's and had to have one. I've had an MAS 112 with a 18sound 12, one with a Faital, and a LPT. The LPT was my favorite sound, but the new one I like better yet. It is more mid forward than 18sound or the Faital, but deeper than the LPT. This thing is super efficient, my 200 watt Traynor or Mike's Shaw make it loud enough for an outside job I did recently. I feel and I've heard from band mates and audience members that I'm getting the best bass sound I've ever gotten. The new one has a more traditional electric bass sound to me, but deeper and more even with the usual Big E ability to get deep without getting boomy and to be heard everywhere. The 110 also knocked me out. It actually seems to go deeper than the 12. Mike says the wave guide is more optimum for the 10. It also is very mid forward in the range that gives electric basses their voice. The latest one has an attenuator switch that makes it smoother. There is a picture on the MAS facebook page, but I can't figure out how to post it here, too old. I'll have to get my daughters to show me how. The 110 is about same size as the MA109 and still only weighs about 35lbs. Nobody that has heard it can believe it only has one ten, it sounds louder and deeper than any two 10 I've heard and would probably give a lot of four 10s a run for their money.
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Let's see if this works (link to the new MAS109):
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MarkA said:
Mike, if you're reading this, have you tried a stack of the 110s? Would they stack vertically, horizontally, or both?
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Both. Dispersion characteristics change dramatically when vertical vs horizontal. There might be comb filtering issues, but I think they'll all be in the vertical. Plus the way the mids are picked up by the carrier might mitigate that. That would have to be a try and test. I will put a bug in Mike's ear.
 
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lelandcrooks said:
Both. Dispersion characteristics change dramatically when vertical vs horizontal. There might be comb filtering issues, but I think they'll all be in the vertical. Plus the way the mids are picked up by the carrier might mitigate that. That would have to be a try and test. I will put a bug in Mike's ear.
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Leland, when you use these boxes as subs is it always in the horizontal position? Have you ever tried vertical? Thanks.
 
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MarkA said:
Mike, if you're reading this, have you tried a stack of the 110s? Would they stack vertically, horizontally, or both? I
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I am reliably informed that they stack beautifully. Vertical, horizontal, even side by side vertically. That's new. They also play well with the other MVW cabs. Presence is better in the vertical.

TomB said:
Leland, when you use these boxes as subs is it always in the horizontal position? Have you ever tried vertical? Thanks.
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I run horizontally almost exclusively, but it depends on the venue. One of the odd things you can do is steer the bass with these. By sitting one cab upright next to or on top of a horizontal you can steer the dispersion, it narrows it. At one show we created an intentional power alley. 130-140deg off axis the bass dropped like a stone, using this technique. If you have a corner, standing up an SLVX218 3-4 ft out is pretty damn scary. Couples like a horn, with the visceral impact of a direct radiator. That may or may not work with Mike's cabs. The waveguides are a bit different.
So YMMV. Try it both ways.
 

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