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Big E Speakers Part 4 - Quadraphenia
- Thread starter kesslari
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- Apr 29, 2003
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Yeah, I guess I got a little hyperbolic in that post, but it was pretty much the best sound I've had on a gig like that. re: the low end response of the 109 vs the flex top, I would say the the 109 is open and wider and breathes/blooms more in the low end than the flex, which is more of that focused upper bass hit in the chest, as you say. The 109 hits lower and has a bigger and wider yet still very controlled feel, which I really like.
The gig I used it on was a trio with a flamenco guitarist and drummer. The material calls for a LOT of chords and percussive rhythmic playing. Chord melody, palm muted tumbao, all kinds of cool parts that call for a cabinet that has plenty of present but decidedly un-harsh articulation. It worked great for that gig.
I really think a pair of these would sound amazingly full, deep and balanced, and be able to handle at least as much volume as the flex210. Which is, to say, an absolute $#!& ton.
Hope that helps.
Not sure you want the Jule anyhow. It's bigger than the alternatives. Though I suppose it would be fabulous for your 46.
right?
Dang I love this thing but hate the hookup(thru the focus fx)... powered 16+slave with felix sitting on top...done
Powered 16?
I checked Mike's website and facebook - apparently presented at NAMM - but couldn't find any info or pictures. Where do I need to look?
Edit: Found it, I only checked the electric bass part of Mike's website.
I checked Mike's website and facebook - apparently presented at NAMM - but couldn't find any info or pictures. Where do I need to look?
Edit: Found it, I only checked the electric bass part of Mike's website.
Got the biggest gig yet with my band this thursday @ the CA State Fair. Ill really get to turn up MA109(#1) and see what it can give me. No bass in the monitors for me.
I don't see that the powered version is up on the site yet -- only the passive version. Last I talked to Mike, he said that he'd showed a couple at NAMM (first I knew that he even made any powered speakers). My understanding -- which could easily be wrong, since we spent about ten seconds talking about the powered 16 -- is that it incorporates the new 700 Watt Ice module that's being used in the Mesa and Genzler amps, among others. That thing has way more than enough juice to drive a little 16 (and Mike mentioned running two at NAMM), so I'd assume that if you wanted to run two (more?) you'd use one powered cab and one (or more?) passive cabs (and I assume that's what @flatback is alluding to a couple of posts up).
I've played with the idea of a 16 for home practice -- I could get it more easily into its sweet spot without incurring the wrath of my neighbors -- but a powered one with a Grace Felix (or Alix -- I took a quick look at that on the Grace designs website the other day), or even something like a nice boost pedal with a piezo-suitable buffer could work nicely for amplified strings (not just DB, I'm thinking, but cello, viola, or violin, too)...
Good luck -- and have fun! If I'm running my rig, I never want bass in the monitors anymore. I -- and everyone else on stage -- hear me better if we're relying on my cab.
MarkA, there are no detailed specs on the website yet, but you can toggle between the powered and unpowered versions of the 16.
http://www.masoundworks.com/manage.numo?pid=21&module=shopping_cart&component=catalog&cid=1
http://www.masoundworks.com/manage.numo?pid=21&module=shopping_cart&component=catalog&cid=1
You're right! My bad. Again, I'm not sure about the module -- I think Mike said something about the 700 ASC, but it was a blip in the conversation, so don't quote me on that. Would be a lot of amp for a single 16, but would make sense powering multiple speakers.
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Jake, thanks. That is a helpful description. Not hyperbolic if that's how you really feel about it! I'm very interested in the note envelope and how different links in the chain (player, instrument, amp, cab) affect it. Bloom and present but un-harsh articulation are helpful descriptors. How about when you put the brakes on? How do notes stop with the 109 vs. with the Flex?
I using a pair of 116's non powered. They're great for home and small venues. I play strictly electric , these days, fretted and fret less Skjold's. 5 strings set up E to high C. They' can get pretty loud for their size. I also love the way one sounds with a 1203. Very amazing cabs!!
Thanks Mark. Do you set the 16s on a stand or on the floor? And did you post a photo of them with your 1203, earlier?
That's the third MAS/AK pairing I recall hearing about. All involve the 1203 - with a 109, your 16s, and I think a 46 (wanna say that was way back in the AK thread).
That's the third MAS/AK pairing I recall hearing about. All involve the 1203 - with a 109, your 16s, and I think a 46 (wanna say that was way back in the AK thread).
Anyone find a nice carry bag for the 16? Been looking @ cajon bags and such, but not finding anything thats nice and close.
I didn't get this the first time I read it. I was like, The Last Frontier? Is that a bar? Is he on a spaceship? But then I noticed that you're in Alaska.
I talked with someone who stacked a 45 and a 46 and said that they worked well together. I don't know if you'd run into any potential funniness with having the speakers sort of cross-firing with you in the middle, though. (That's how I'm picturing the setup you describe.)
