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Big E Speakers Part 4 - Quadraphenia

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MarkA said:
Thanks, guys. Had a look at the Quiklok (spelling reminds me of Dethklok) site and it looks like the WS-540 is the stand to beat. 24.25" minimum height is higher than I was looking for, actually, but will try to mock that up at home and see what it looks like. Appreciated!
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If you remove the adjustable legs the height goes to 23" and the stand becomes more stable. There are still plastic feet on the outer tubes and I've used both my WS-540 stands for quite a few years in that format. You could cut down the outer legs fairly easily, beyond that.
 
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Passinwind said:
If you remove the adjustable legs the height goes to 23" and the stand becomes more stable. There are still plastic feet on the outer tubes and I've used both my WS-540 stands for quite a few years in that format. You could cut down the outer legs fairly easily, beyond that.
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Thanks, Charlie. Wouldn't be the first time I tackled a problem with a hacksaw!
 
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MarkA said:
That is hard to see! Missed it the first time. Is that a 26 atop a 110 sub?



Thanks, guys. Had a look at the Quiklok (spelling reminds me of Dethklok) site and it looks like the WS-540 is the stand to beat. 24.25" minimum height is higher than I was looking for, actually, but will try to mock that up at home and see what it looks like. Appreciated!
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Its a 26 with g**tar speaks on top of a MA-109. Also, with the stand, it could be cut shorter if your carefull

Edit: ninja!
 
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mntngrown said:
So I missed several posts here as the alerts did not show up. However when I am here and logged in the only reference I see is to "unwatch this thread" I am sure the interwebs ain't perfect and I am a Dino. Should I unwatch then watch again?
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@mntngrown, try that. Also click on your name (top right of page), and check "Preferences" and "Alert Preferences" to make sure they're set up the way you want them to be.
 
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mntngrown said:
OOPs MarkA post above showed up as alert I guess I am back in business. My 46 might be on a truck to new owner soon, (WAAH! separation anxiety), But the 210 flex and 48 will probably do the trick.
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I'm sure the 210 Flex and 48 will suffice! I actually broke down and ordered a 110 sub for my 110 Flex so I can keep up at ridiculous volume levels and have a little 'breathing room' at sane levels...
 
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MarkA said:
Yeah, you said something about that earlier, didn't you? Are you playing guitar through it? Biamping with clean lows going to the 109 and distorted highs going to your "guitar cab"? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Yep. Actually got to try thebwhole thing @ last gig. Ive got 2 half rack Stewart amps under my pedalboard, one bridged for clean bass to the 109, the other stereo fx to the 26. Its fun and strange, like me.
 
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Funny story.. Played a bar gig this weekend with a quartet. A loud quartet. These guys were pushing enough volume that the drummer had a bose tower with sub on stage for personal monitoring, just to give a sense of relative volume levels on stage.

I brought the Sonic Farm, Rad, MAS109 and 110sub. I had to rearrange my rig a few times to get it positioned right, and ended up with the sub on the floor and the 109 vertical on top of it (like an upside down T). Somewhere during the second set I was thinking, "wow this rig does put out a lot of volume and really nice low end, but it sounds like its maxxing out with peak transients, escpecially when I lean into the 109's plump and massive low end". It seemed like a good data point, to know what I will need to carry my volume levels going forward.

Fast forward to the end of the gig.... I go to break down and realize I NEVER EVEN PLUGGED THE 110 SUB BACK IN........

That impressive amount of volume and punch keeping up with a super loud guitarist, reinforced kit, and blaring keys was JUST THE 109. And it sounded GOOD. I was shocked. Total bonehead testimonial, but I'm more than convinced now that the sound of the 109 is just perfect for me, and a pair of them would be utterly glorious. It's also good to know that I can flog the absolute %$@# out of the 109 and it can handle it without imploding, although I wouldnt do it again if I knew what was going on.



PS. Had another outdoor gig last night with a loud latin jazz combo and just used the 109. I'm pretty sure it was the best/most enjoyable live sound I've ever had. The low mids extend into the low end in SUCH a graceful way, the cab always sounds composed (except when I'm mistakenly treating it like theres a sub plugged in), and the mids and highs are easily workable to a place that I find satisfying after being used to the Flex's insane 3d mids and treble. Just thought I'd share with the group :)
 
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I've got a similar d-oh! story...with my MAS112 and Mesa D-800 head.

My regular gig is a rowdy rock band in a rowdy club. We get loud, onstage and FOH. (Yup, I wear earplugs.) The BL puts a taste of everything into the FOH (and no instruments in the monitors), so I routinely run a DI line from my amp to the board. The BL goes out into the house during our soundcheck to make sure everything is balanced out front.

One time I got distracted during setup, and forgot the DI line. So we start the show, and except for turning the master on the D-800 a bit higher than usual (which I attributed to trying a different EQ than previous gigs), everything sounds normal. First set goes by, the second set goes by, and I go up on the stage to tune before the third set. And I notice I hadn't run the DI line. And that monster sound out front was coming from a single MAS112!
 
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I'm usually pretty careful and would NOT abuse any gear like that if I knew what was happening. Sometimes the only way to really get a handle on the functional limit of a cab is to mess up and think you're using it correctly, only to realize it was hobbling along on one leg, and actually doing remarkably well :)
 
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J.Wolf said:
Funny story.. Played a bar gig this weekend with a quartet. A loud quartet. These guys were pushing enough volume that the drummer had a bose tower with sub on stage for personal monitoring, just to give a sense of relative volume levels on stage.

I brought the Sonic Farm, Rad, MAS109 and 110sub. I had to rearrange my rig a few times to get it positioned right, and ended up with the sub on the floor and the 109 vertical on top of it (like an upside down T). Somewhere during the second set I was thinking, "wow this rig does put out a lot of volume and really nice low end, but it sounds like its maxxing out with peak transients, escpecially when I lean into the 109's plump and massive low end". It seemed like a good data point, to know what I will need to carry my volume levels going forward.

Fast forward to the end of the gig.... I go to break down and realize I NEVER EVEN PLUGGED THE 110 SUB BACK IN........

That impressive amount of volume and punch keeping up with a super loud guitarist, reinforced kit, and blaring keys was JUST THE 109. And it sounded GOOD. I was shocked. Total bonehead testimonial, but I'm more than convinced now that the sound of the 109 is just perfect for me, and a pair of them would be utterly glorious. It's also good to know that I can flog the absolute %$@# out of the 109 and it can handle it without imploding, although I wouldnt do it again if I knew what was going on.

PS. Had another outdoor gig last night with a loud latin jazz combo and just used the 109. I'm pretty sure it was the best/most enjoyable live sound I've ever had. The low mids extend into the low end in SUCH a graceful way, the cab always sounds composed (except when I'm mistakenly treating it like theres a sub plugged in), and the mids and highs are easily workable to a place that I find satisfying after being used to the Flex's insane 3d mids and treble. Just thought I'd share with the group :)
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Jake, considering what you're used to playing through, the "best/most enjoyable live sound you've ever had" is saying a lot. You mention a "plump and massive low end." How do you feel that the voicing of the cab compares to that of the Flex? Even though I end up playing my 112 the most, the Flex has always impressed me with its 3D mids (which you mentioned) and the crazy, punch-in-the-chest articulation it has with fast fingerstyle. Very "chunky" with palm-musting, too. Maybe another way to phrase the question would be, "How's the 109 hang with the Flex in fingerstyle articulation/note separation, palm-muting, and percussive techniques?"

Are there any circumstances in which you've felt the low end to be too much (whatever that might mean in a given situation), or has that not been an issue?
 
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