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Big E Speakers Part 4 - Quadraphenia

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Mike Arnopol said:
I just figured that most sane people wouldn't be running two at the same time.

But there are some insane people here.

Like the TB member that is waiting for the MAS215. Effective VD of 3400 cc's. I wouldn't want to be in the same state with that thing cranked.
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:D :D :D :D But ain't that the pot calling the kettle black? You're the creator/supplier of this form of "crack"!

BTW, Steve replied to my post on the other board. IF (big IF there) I can liquidate my current cabs AND have enough left over from my return - it could very well become reality for me. And if I'm going to invest just a bit more than a Flex 210, why not get the biggest, baddest bass cab on the planet?

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But your suspicions are correct. Actually, there's a perfectly good explanation for everything you see here, but that would be a long (and probably boring) post. But I have my reasons. :woot::smug:;)

Not sure how long I've been reading/learning from your thread(s) but I think it's been well over a year and I'm thoroughly fascinated by your designs. I'm not a technophile in that I'm in to all the measurements and stuff but the results people are getting (gig stories, testimonials) intrigue me. In my own estimation I don't rate the gear I have - I'm quite blessed to have the equipment to play any size venue (and my church has it's own big rig in our theater) but I like the different, unique, etc. (bought a Dingwall sight unseen) and thus your cabs. I'd really like to hear how they perform in the rectangular concrete/brick box that is our theater.

That said, I'll be tuned in awaiting more info and will prepare to list my cabs for sale. No sense in asking for anyone interested here, but if you're looking for a good medium-scale four string hit me up. :)

Eric
 
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Love the honesty. Some here are insane. But that does not ipso facto make me a bad person! MWUUHAAA! I want A 2X15 TOO! Just because.
Mike Arnopol said:
What that switch actually does is remove the padding. Crossover point stays close to the same. You get about 3db more mid output. An important thing---when the pad is removed, the impedance is a bit too low to combine two of the cabs. It's fine with one cab running, but worries me with two cabs. So---if you're running two cabs together, leave the padding in. If your amp is comfortable down to 2.67 ohms---it's fine. But with amps like the Demeters, Puma 900, GKFusion800, and other amps based on the same Ice module----these amps aren't thrilled with what I would call a "low" 4 ohms, or slamming all of its output into 4.
I just figured that most sane people wouldn't be running two at the same time.

But there are some insane people here.

Like the TB member that is waiting for the MAS215. Effective VD of 3400 cc's. I wouldn't want to be in the same state with that thing cranked.
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I believe that part of the explanation for the "insanity" is a simple fact. Those of us who have lived through the times before bass rigs were adequate to the task, when the early Fender bassman was the baddest amp out there, have suffered through being buried beneath guitarists and drummers. PA support - what's that? Stage monitors - what are those? I for one have never until the last few years been able to just chill, relax and play. With Mike's cabs I can tell whether my index finger or my middle finger played that last note, or whether I need to trim my nails a little. And how much I still need to practice technique. We're not really insane, just excited and happy.
 
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ganttbos said:
I believe that part of the explanation for the "insanity" is a simple fact. Those of us who have lived through the times before bass rigs were adequate to the task, when the early Fender bassman was the baddest amp out there, have suffered through being buried beneath guitarists and drummers. PA support - what's that? Stage monitors - what are those? I for one have never until the last few years been able to just chill, relax and play. With Mike's cabs I can tell whether my index finger or my middle finger played that last note, or whether I need to trim my nails a little. And how much I still need to practice technique. We're not really insane, just excited and happy.
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Yup! I'm of that vintage, too. I remember...

It's remarkable just how much sonic detail makes it into the room with my MAS112 rig. Truly a delight.

Imma still gonna get me anudder, brudder.
 
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Mike Arnopol said:
What that switch actually does is remove the padding. Crossover point stays close to the same. You get about 3db more mid output. An important thing---when the pad is removed, the impedance is a bit too low to combine two of the cabs. ..I just figured that most sane people wouldn't be running two at the same time.

But there are some insane people here. Like the TB member that is waiting for the MAS215. Effective VD of 3400 cc's. I wouldn't want to be in the same state with that thing cranked.
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Sanity is so overrated. :laugh:

Seriously, one should take precautions, as these cabs can damage your ears quickly. They're so clear at crazy-loud levels, the actual SPL you're experiencing is deptive.
 
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It's still the drummers that you have to watch out for in rehearsal space and tin can bar gigs re hearing damage. As my father used to say, "It takes a strong man to set a heavy object down quietly" And I say it takes a gifted drummer to play tastefully and effectively at moderate volume. Now back to our regular scheduled topic.:) These cabs articulate your notes in a wonderful way without having to be 110 db to be heard in the mix. I have Etymotics but don't like to use them. The two awesome drummers I play with now don't make me need to reach for them except sometimes at rehearsal in small spaces. The Big E's let you and the audience hear the bass parts without beating everyone over the head and kicking them in the chest. You of course can do so if desired, which no doubt was what Mike was referring to re a 2x15 cab.
 
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mntngrown said:
It's still the drummers that you have to watch out for in rehearsal space and tin can bar gigs re hearing damage. As my father used to say, "It takes a strong man to set a heavy object down quietly" And I say it takes a gifted drummer to play tastefully and effectively at moderate volume. Now back to our regular scheduled topic.:) These cabs articulate your notes in a wonderful way without having to be 110 db to be heard in the mix. I have Etymotics but don't like to use them. The two awesome drummers I play with now don't make me need to reach for them except sometimes at rehearsal in small spaces. The Big E's let you and the audience hear the bass parts without beating everyone over the head and kicking them in the chest. You of course can do so if desired, which no doubt was what Mike was referring to re a 2x15 cab.
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+1 & that's one of the reasons I like playing with e-Drum kit drummers!
 
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Hey, a question I hadn't thought of before.

We're working a pretty large room tomorrow. In the past I've used a pair of 12/6s or 12/6/1s here. I only have one MAS 112 (yet), and was wondering if I should bring along a 12/6/1 cab (also in 8 ohms) to help it out. Whaddaya figure?
 
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Ewo said:
Hey, a question I hadn't thought of before.

We're working a pretty large room tomorrow. In the past I've used a pair of 12/6s or 12/6/1s here. I only have one MAS 112 (yet), and was wondering if I should bring along a 12/6/1 cab (also in 8 ohms) to help it out. Whaddaya figure?
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My guess is it would not be a good idea. I would not recommend it. The 12/6/1 does not have the MVW thing going on so it could possibly interfere with the MAS 112 which does. That is just a guess though and it could very well be wrong.
 
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Ewo said:
Hey, a question I hadn't thought of before.

We're working a pretty large room tomorrow. In the past I've used a pair of 12/6s or 12/6/1s here. I only have one MAS 112 (yet), and was wondering if I should bring along a 12/6/1 cab (also in 8 ohms) to help it out. Whaddaya figure?
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In real world testing one MAS-112 outran two conventional 12s. If you combine the two dissimilar loudspeakers you may increase the near field output at the sacrifice of far field sensitivity. This means that your stage volume will be louder but only in your area. Everyone else will hear less bass. Depending on placement, comb filtering and adverse room interactions may also result. In short your single MAS-112 is at least as capable as two of your 12/6 units. Set your volume to a good stage level for your band and play with confidence (crank it up of you wish). You will be heard.
 
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