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Big E Speakers Part 4 - Quadraphenia
- Thread starter kesslari
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Man, you need another 112 so the top looks balanced!
That Reeves is smokin'.Never thought I'd like tube amp sections for bass. It's nice being proved wrong!
Whoa---check out that Dingwall! I think the reason that Sheldon makes such great basses is that there's nothing else to do in Saskatoon! (actually the people in Saskatoon are REALLY nice!. They do have that Great White North accent happening, though!)
That Reeves is smokin'.Never thought I'd like tube amp sections for bass. It's nice being proved wrong!
Whoa---check out that Dingwall! I think the reason that Sheldon makes such great basses is that there's nothing else to do in Saskatoon! (actually the people in Saskatoon are REALLY nice!. They do have that Great White North accent happening, though!)
Sorry to excessively post, but, after getting off the phone with Mike a couple of hours ago, I'm even more excited about the prototype 115 coming my way. 18sound woofer, 6 4" faital mid/tweets and a whole lot of vortexing going on (shut up, it's a verb now). This thing is going to KILL in the best ways.
Yeah---with the 115 I got pretty weirded out running it to full volume indoors. It was weird. I plugged into the 115 with about 600 watts and then plugged into the 112 with the 18Sound. I was like--"man---there's something wrong with the 112!" There was nothing wrong with the 112. It was just that after playing the 115 the 112 sounded puny. And the 112 is not a puny sounding speaker!
I have no idea how I'm going to test the 215. I don't want to be anywhere near it at full volume. The Ice puts out 1200 into 4.
I think I'll let Tom and Steve do it.
I have no idea how I'm going to test the 215. I don't want to be anywhere near it at full volume. The Ice puts out 1200 into 4.
I think I'll let Tom and Steve do it.
I thought the 215 was first in the works because it's form factor wasn't much bigger than the 115.
A full report is expected...
Stephen Regier
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- Apr 11, 2014
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There is a working 115 prototype that JB is going to test for commercial viability. We felt that the size difference between the 115 and 215 was small enough that a 115 did not make sense. I quess we will see. A word of caution: in my opinion none of the MVW 15's are very good for, "put it in the practice room and crank it!" These loudspeakers will need some large areas to really stretch their legs. In too small a room they will not sound good or perform well.
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Send it here! I'll bridge the PLX 3602 and take it out in the back yard, shoot it towards the forrest, and see what wildlife comes running out. Seriously.
Needs have changed. *sigh* My church is buying my rig from me - so that on the off chance my brain short-circuits and I leave the band/church they will still have a good rig in their theater and for taking on the road. This really negates a 215 purchase as they like the looks/sound of the bassist sound reinforcement "wall" to the left of the drums. I'm sad in a way as I was looking forward to future attempts at the ever-elusive search for proper 'brown-note' reproduction and felt it could have easily been achieved with Mike's super cab-to-be (theater has painted concrete floors so no issues there).
Anyhoo, I checked out an Acme Low B1 at the nearby GC and really liked it - great sound from such a small form-factor. After reading a review of it and some other 10's that Mr. Bowlus did a few years back, I looked for an EA VL-110 (that Tom praised highly) and found a sweet combo+xt. cab in the classifieds. It should be loud enough for my practice/small gig needs but compact enough for me to bring home without taking up too much space in the apartment.
OR, I found a PJB M500 online for sale and that would leave me some scratch for something from Mr. Arnopol BUT when set properly his cabs are low and wide and I really need something shaped more like the B1. The 112 would be a bit too tall...wait...just had an idea...our couch is red, so maybe one of the red ones would match it?? Hmmm, might be on to something there, it would compliment our living room decor that way - hmmm indeed....
Can anyone offer some additional MAS-biased suggestions?
Eric
Anyhoo, I checked out an Acme Low B1 at the nearby GC and really liked it - great sound from such a small form-factor. After reading a review of it and some other 10's that Mr. Bowlus did a few years back, I looked for an EA VL-110 (that Tom praised highly) and found a sweet combo+xt. cab in the classifieds. It should be loud enough for my practice/small gig needs but compact enough for me to bring home without taking up too much space in the apartment.
OR, I found a PJB M500 online for sale and that would leave me some scratch for something from Mr. Arnopol BUT when set properly his cabs are low and wide and I really need something shaped more like the B1. The 112 would be a bit too tall...wait...just had an idea...our couch is red, so maybe one of the red ones would match it?? Hmmm, might be on to something there, it would compliment our living room decor that way - hmmm indeed....
Can anyone offer some additional MAS-biased suggestions?
Eric
Stephen Regier
Commercial User
- Apr 11, 2014
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- 131
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- Co-Inventer and Co-Owner of Big E Loudspeakers Technology
Talk to Mike about the yet to be released MA-110 Essential. It is basically the 110Flex with a fixed voicing (your choice).
Hey Razman, I don't know your history on this thread, by memory, but where BigE shines is where the rubber meets the road, in clubs theaters gyms bars honky tonks etc. Making difficult rooms better, is a huge plus with MAS cabs. Bedroom is improved by a small MAS cab, but most of us probably don't need it. What rig did your church buy from you? If they have a nice space to fill every week I hope they bought an MAS cab. Especially if they go on the road. IMHO
Thanks Stephen, sounds interesting.
Hi @mntngrown,
I posted a pic of the whole setup here, a Mesa 400 and an Ampeg fridge. It mainly stays in the same location; got the amp and cab locally to have my "own" rig for taking places but started using the Mesa last summer when the church amp (which fried and was repaired) just couldn't keep up. Upon acquiring the 810 I brought it on our stage to test and commented to a friend that I didn't know where to store the thing. He said to split the Hartke stack and put it in the middle. Being the mildly eccentric gear-head that I am, I thought, "now why didn't I think of that???" It's the perfect height, looks great, and my pastor (who is also the senior sound man) likes it, so there it is (and phase cancelling be darned, it's cool to play in front of).
That said, I'm still responsible for the care and feeding of it all, but that's the setup we'll be using now and I would be hard-pressed to replace all of that even with a 215 (not that it couldn't, I'm referring to changing some old-school mentalities). Well, if they (my pastor & sound crew) heard it they might like it, but everyone's happy and I have other needs I can attend to (like upgrading some of my basses' electronics, getting another wireless unit, etc.) The EA setup is very attractive, but a head/cab would be preferred so I'd be able to have a backup for the Mesa AND a solution for smaller venues/home.
I've mentioned before my attraction to the odd, strange, different, etc. (first elec. guitar and bass were headless; bought a Dingwall w/o playing one first,, you get it). Had I the means a long time ago (like pre-flame wars in this thread) I'd have jumped all over a Flex 210. Then I heard how well the 112 was received, and then that a 215 was in the works. Yahoo!! Oops, starting to get a little carried away there. Anyway, I'm now feeling a little "rig-less" and hope to fix it in the near future with one I can call my own again (is that seller's remorse?)
Thanks for listening...
Eric
Hmmm
Maybe I should beta test that 115 with a 45 watt tube amp so no one is at risk of succumbing to HD Vortexitude.
Cheers
Steve
Maybe I should beta test that 115 with a 45 watt tube amp so no one is at risk of succumbing to HD Vortexitude.
Cheers
Steve
Thanks for the suggestion, Steve. I never really thought of this---I bet there are a bunch of guys with low powered tube amps that would love a speaker with 102--103db efficiency. Duke and I have been been brainstorming and have come up with something that I think would be just the ticket.
A MAS112 using a Kappalite 3012ho woofer and two mids. (or no mids) I didn't really consider the HO before---it doesn't go quite as low as other woofers and while the excursion is quite respectable---it's not in the crazy 1000 watt category as with the other woofers I'm using. But it does have a 450 watt capacity for those who want double duty with a more powerful ss amp. It's super fast and articulate and very "tight" sounding. I think that the lower powered tube amps will warm it up a lot and slightly "soften" the low end. It won't be a crazy low B string beast, but should still be pretty respectable with a B. It will have a Duke "mid switch" to tame the big 2400 hz bump--or not. Kindof like a "presence" control. Two mids will be fine as far as power handling. No mids will give a reasonable response to 4 khz.
It will go to gig volume with a 50 watt amp.
Interesting recipe. Bet it would be quite nice with a 4-string and moderately powered tube amp.
I'm curious as to whether an MVW 212 has ever been considered and what the changes in dimensions and weight versus the 112 would be?
A MAS112 using a Kappalite 3012ho woofer and two mids. (or no mids) I didn't really consider the HO before---it doesn't go quite as low as other woofers and while the excursion is quite respectable---it's not in the crazy 1000 watt category as with the other woofers I'm using. But it does have a 450 watt capacity for those who want double duty with a more powerful ss amp. It's super fast and articulate and very "tight" sounding. I think that the lower powered tube amps will warm it up a lot and slightly "soften" the low end. It won't be a crazy low B string beast, but should still be pretty respectable with a B. It will have a Duke "mid switch" to tame the big 2400 hz bump--or not. Kindof like a "presence" control. Two mids will be fine as far as power handling. No mids will give a reasonable response to 4 khz.
It will go to gig volume with a 50 watt amp.[/QUOTE]
If you add in the mids, does it become less efficient?
Also, are we talking efficiency over 100hz?
And what kind of extension down low would you guess?
It will go to gig volume with a 50 watt amp.[/QUOTE]
If you add in the mids, does it become less efficient?
Also, are we talking efficiency over 100hz?
And what kind of extension down low would you guess?
