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Big E Speakers Part 4 - Quadraphenia

It will go to gig volume with a 50 watt amp.

If you add in the mids, does it become less efficient?

Also, are we talking efficiency over 100hz?


And what kind of extension down low would you guess?[/QUOTE]

All bass cabinets base their efficiency claims north of 100 hz. In looking at Bass Gear Magazine, tested efficiency is based from 200 to 2000hz. I think that this is typical. The only reason I'm saying this is that I want an apples to apples comparison with other cabs. Unfortunately, many manufacturers choose the most optimistic point between 200 and 1000 hz. I think that for bass players this is wrong and misleading. Our volume is largely perceived by the region between 150 and 300 hz, I think. An SVT has very little output below 80 hz but most perceive it having a "huge" bass sound.

I also think that we can agree that a speaker with an efficiency of 101db will perform pretty admirably with a 50 watt tube amp. One with efficiency of 96 db will not. In looking at Eminence's graphs, I can predict efficiency of 101db down to around 150hz. This is a lower frequency than the yardstick used by most. The MVW enclosure typically increases efficiency by around 3db.

As far as extension, I'm getting pretty good at predicting this---based on measurements of my other speakers. I would say mid to high 50's as a -3db point. This is pretty much in line with the Kappalite LF speakers. Most of the "super" 12's and 15's using the Kappalite 3012lf and 3015lf have minus 3db point in this region. I've seen some misleading specs where someone claimed a usable frequency response to 37hz where the -3db point was in the 50's and the -10db point was at 44hz!

So I guess that in answer to your question---in comparing "apples to apples" this would be in line with other speaker manufacturers claiming 101 to 102db efficiency. And said speakers would kick butt with a 50 watt tube amp. My other speakers go lower, but this would compete in extension with other "super" 12's and 15's. (Andy Lewis's Acme speakers are an exception---they go really low)

And not to open up a big can of worms---but my real world experience has shown me that a 50 watt tube amp competes with a ss amp of much higher wattage. (oops---here we go). When I was in Nashville I was trying Kevin Shaw's 150 watt tube amp. A 150 watt ss amp will barely get my 112 going, but you could hear and SEE that that woofer was working overtime with that 150 tube watts!
 
Ok- I asked Chef about a year ago if I could ask such a question and he said he thought it was ok

My grill manufacturer decided to stop doing grills so I was looking for a new one. Well---necessity is the mother of invention. (or is it Mother's of Invention?)
Steve found a very good source locally and the prices are great and I can get a bit heavier/more durable grills.

Here's my question---
I can get a good price on stainless steel grills. Not brushed stainless, but raw stainless. It looks pretty cool. Kindof in between raw steel and brushed stainless. In other words, a bit gray like regular steel, but a bit brighter. No possibility of paint chipping.

My question is this---
What do you guys think about this in comparison with black powder coated grills? Same thickness.

By the way---if the mods deem this inappropriate, please pull the post. I had asked Chef--and it was a while ago--if it was cool to ask people's opinions on what type of corners---I thought this was in line with that.
 
Interesting recipe. Bet it would be quite nice with a 4-string and moderately powered tube amp.

I'm curious as to whether an MVW 212 has ever been considered and what the changes in dimensions and weight versus the 112 would be?

A good question for Steve and Tom. To be honest, I was surprised when they told me that the 215 was only 6" taller than the 115. Now I'm curious---just for S's & G's about a 212. And I was trying to pare down my product line and make it simpler and less confusing---thanks loads!
 
The ss perf grill would look good with the purple finish. (edit: agree w/above. Would look good with all purple cab)Ya know, some of the smaller bikini grills are small enough for a custom cut grill. Been thinking of redoing mine and cutting the logos in.
 
Just got done re - badging my MAS112 Signature cabs.

Mike ran out before my second cab was ready so I opted for all new ones. These are black with silver script and look very classy. I repositioned the alignment as I prefer them horizontal and this allows easy recognition without twisting and bending.

I also have full grills and red cottonmouths. Personally, stainless would disrupt the mojo in my rig.

Just my two cents but I would vote no to stainless.
 
A good question for Steve and Tom. To be honest, I was surprised when they told me that the 215 was only 6" taller than the 115. Now I'm curious---just for S's & G's about a 212. And I was trying to pare down my product line and make it simpler and less confusing---thanks loads!
Sorry just a random thought considering the 6" higher 1.5" wider difference from the 115 to the 215. A 5" higher 1" wider transition for the 112 to 212 transition (conjecture here) would give a 37"h x 16"w x 18"d cab perhaps just under 70 lbs??? This would still be quite easy to move and have incredible power to size. ; )
 
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Sorry just a random thought considering the 6" higher 1.5" wider difference from the 115 to the 215. A 5" higher 1" wider transition for the 112 to 212 transition (conjecture here) would give a 37"h x 16"w x 18"d cab perhaps just under 70 lbs??? This would still be quite easy to move and have incredible power to size. ; )
Scaling the MVW is more than just a linear function. The dual 12 would be closer to 39“ H x 16" W x 21"D.-Not that there is anything wrong with that...
 
That's kindof cool---about the same ultimate volume (loudness) as the 115 but a substantially smaller package. And you get that lower woofer firing up at you.

VD of about 2000cc's

Maybe a bit louder than the MAS115 or a reflex 215

Likely around 75#
 
Second the idea of a MAS 212..... Or maybe a 12" loaded flex. Or a vertical 410, that should be a fridge killer... Instead of an 18" can we just go straight to a 21"? At what point do these become weaponry? Come to think of it everything is already acronyms. The Big E MAS MVW FIVCLH. When you tell them it works kinda like a jet engine the weapons contract almost writes itself.

MAS= Mike's Arsonal of Sound.....

i love that there is still so much innovation to come. Grant it that I may have been being a little silly, but the future is long and who knows what's next ;) oh and I was serious about an interest in the possibility of a 2x12 :bassist:
 
Sweet MAS 112 sighting over on the FB page. Purple finish with a stainless grille. Faital 112. I think it's up for grabs, someone can correct me if I'm wrong. Looks pretty awesome!
 

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