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Big E Speakers pt 3

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You will dig the 45110, probably the best schlep ever. One in each hand is surprisingly easy, they are so shallow that you can walk through doors with them both, just great. I'm just day dreaming about the flex's aggressive tone.....
 
This cab isn't for everyone. It's bigger and heavier than the other MAS cabs. (32 high by 26 wide by 14 deep and 72#)
And pricier. But the shlep was worth it for me. (yes--the guy who was making 30# composite cabs). This is a miserable venue that I don't look forward to. But I HAD SO MUCH FUN!

Quite the 'acid test', Mike. This really shows how the flexibility designed into these cabs can pay off - to actually sound good and have fun in a room with nightmare acoustics! Better get that cover ordered brother... :cool:
 
Question for Mike Arnopol.....

Are you guys considering doing a more entry level cab for
cats that can't afford the normal line? I have had several questions from young players who are excited by the technology
but don't have this kind of bread...

My 66 is still killing BTW but I may have to get 21O flex just for
sport!
 
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I'm reluctant to post this because Mike will probably yell at me and say "they weren't designed to do that!" But I had to try it and it sounds great. It has more of that mvw punch you in the chest thing going on than with my 110sub. I know they are a bit of a mismatch as the 46 is probably about double the 45, but it's great, the punch of the 46 with the clarity of the 45. As long as I don't push the 45 too far with this do you see any problems mike?
 
Same results?
Very different, actually. Wedding at the W Hotel. Ballrom approx.40 x 80 with about 25 foot ceilings. Playing across the short wall. I've played here before. Boom central. We needed to keep a lower stage volume--too loud and the room saturates and you can't hear anything.

I kept the settings the same (as the previous night) and I felt that I was getting enough thump but needed more midrange articulation.

At home when I switched to the Bright setting I thought that the mids were too hot for my taste. I decided to try it here. All of a sudden my sound was very similar to Bernard Edwards---one of my top 3 electric players. Very Music Man vibe but with an insane low end. Aggressive mids, but set off against a thicker low end. Very tight but with more note "thickness". Very different sound from the previous night but still very satisfying.

The sound guy in this band is one of those kids that would prefer no sound on stage so he could control everything in the PA. He and I had kindof been at odds about this for a while. He liked the other MAS cabs but still wanted them at a whisper so he could have complete control.

Well, last night he changed his mind. Took me out of the mains because he dug the sound. I was playing the beastly 210 but apparently I was playing at a lower volume than I had usually played in the room. I felt that I was at the perfect level to hear and feel myself.
I usually play with a darker sound but the aggressive mids seemed to balance well with the big, tight low end.

The leader (the drummer) who is always siding with the PA guy always bugs me about my being too loud. He was thrilled. The band played at a lower volume and we could all hear well. He asked if I could use the 210 on future gigs.

I was worried that at a lower volume I would not get enough vortexitude but it seemed perfect.
 
Question for Mike Arnopol.....

Are you guys considering doing a more entry level cab for
cats that can't afford the normal line? I have had several questions from young players who are excited by the technology
but don't have this kind of bread...

My 66 is still killing BTW but I may have to get 21O flex just for
sport!


We've been a bit on that back burner as far as this but we came up with a cool idea. It might suck---but I think it could be really nice.

10" cab with a 3" Faital tweet. The woofer would be lower powered than the one in the Flex cabs but have a higher output than most 10's. It would be about the same (or better) volume as any 210.

The cab would be the same as in the 110 sub. 26 x 13 x 14 and about 33#. And it would be VERY reasonably priced.

Sound like a good idea?
 
Long time no talk Mike. It's crazy that even someone with your playing experience has the same issues with sound guys and band members as the rest of us. Thanks for sharing, great learning experiences. I WILL be sending you a pm reference the 210. I also have a new toy for you to try next time I come by.
 
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I'm reluctant to post this because Mike will probably yell at me and say "they weren't designed to do that!" But I had to try it and it sounds great. It has more of that mvw punch you in the chest thing going on than with my 110sub. I know they are a bit of a mismatch as the 46 is probably about double the 45, but it's great, the punch of the 46 with the clarity of the 45. As long as I don't push the 45 too far with this do you see any problems mike?

No--as long as the impedance is cool. The 45 is 8. Is that 46 a 4 or 8? If it's a 4 make sure the amp is happy with a 2.67 ohm load (I think it's 2.67) Those 6's are crazy punchy in the upper bass/lower mids. The 110 is punchier in the midbass region. I think the 46 has a bit more "bark" and the 110 has more "thump".

The new 6's are less "barky" than the one you have.

Nice thing about the Flex's is that you can dial in more "bark" when needed.
 
One thing that Nomatic and I have talked about a lot.

Headroom is everything. I was able to play lightly which actually gives you a bigger thump at the beginning of the note. If I turned down and played a bit harder the difference between the beginning "thump" and the trailing "boom". would have been less. So---at the volume I wanted to achieve there would be less difference in volume between the thump of the note and the extending pitch value of the note. The extended trail and pitch value of the note is what people hear essentially as your volume.
The "thump" decays quick enough that it's not noticed as your "volume".

So---if I used a smaller speaker that would give me (at its max) the correct volume trailing pitch portion of the note (which gives its perceived volume) the speaker wouldn't have the headroom to give the greater value of thump at the note beginning. That thump can be 3db higher than your essential volume. Which requires twice the amp volume and twice the speaker excursion.

Same for the amp---if the amp is near its limit to give the correct volume of the pitch portion of the note it wouldn't have the reserves to give that extra edge to the thump.

Does this make sense? Sorry about what might be an inarticulate meandering here.

Headroom is good.
 
Thanks mike, it is an 8ohm version so it ohms wise it's all good. I haven't played the 46 in a LONG time because I've had this new rig, but I forgot how much I love that bark and how different it is than any other cab. I found my self trying to play as fast as I can just to hear that quick attack and decay between staccato notes, so cool. I think you said that the 110flex does this "big e thing" the best. If that's true I may be getting closer to pulling the trigger on a 110flex. I'll have to try this setup at rehearsals this week to see how it works. I've figured out for my tone, I love pushing the hi mids on almost every cab I play, so maybe your flex110 in the aggressive setting is my ticket to paradise. :)
 
One nice thing about using really nice components----when you go for a more aggressive sound it doesn't seem to get ugly or vulgar.

That's why Roger Baer can get an more aggressive mid-forward sound and it still remains musical.(great cab, by the way) Same mid driver. (he used it first!) I was surprised that Duke wanted to use it in his uber hifi cabs. He loves it.
 
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