Wisdom emerges!
I'll take your word for it, but it's hard for me to imagine that the sound of the 110 Flex could be noticeably improved.
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Big E Speakers pt 3
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Wisdom emerges!
I'll take your word for it, but it's hard for me to imagine that the sound of the 110 Flex could be noticeably improved.
As I'm a bit hyper-focused on speakers these days a small improvement seems pretty profound I guess. We're just incrementally improving different things one by one. As we'll continue to do.
Just loaded fifty two 6 1/2 speakers onto the shelves and I'm off to the workshop to assemble two 46's and one 26.
Just loaded fifty two 6 1/2 speakers onto the shelves and I'm off to the workshop to assemble two 46's and one 26.
Just a heads up to the Big E fans....
I have a MAS 66 for sale at a great price in the classifieds to make
room for a 21O flex. I love the 66 but the gas has over taken me.....
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f127/big-e-66-good-condition-available-great-price-1052051/
I have a MAS 66 for sale at a great price in the classifieds to make
room for a 21O flex. I love the 66 but the gas has over taken me.....
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f127/big-e-66-good-condition-available-great-price-1052051/
The 66 is the power/weight champ. I'm building a new one for myself. There were questions as far as size. I think it's around 25 wide 22 high and 13 deep. The new one is a bit bigger at 26 wide. Around 50#. The 66 goes a bit louder than a "super" 15 or a 410. About the same volume as a "super" 212. (Super meaning equipped with an Eminence Kappalite LF driver)
Duke should have the cab today. He'll be getting the crossover done in a few days. I'll build the crossovers while the 46 is on it's way back. I'm expecting to ship by next weekend. Thanks for your patience!
No problem. Excited to the hear the results! Thank you for being conscientious in developing the best products to offer to the bass community.
Wow---look at the sawdust! I vacuum and use an air compressor but there's still sawdust blowing out for a few days!
That looks really cool with the Demeter and Minnie on top----nice match visually I think.
That looks really cool with the Demeter and Minnie on top----nice match visually I think.
I shook a little bit out with the first test 
Very punchy setup but a gig is always the test. I think the 45 could cover the jazz gigs alone volume-wise.
Very punchy setup but a gig is always the test. I think the 45 could cover the jazz gigs alone volume-wise.
Make sure to try it with the 45 coming out of the crossover and then full range---into the 45 first and from the other jack on the 45 into the sub input. Bigger bottom with just a tad less headroom.
lelandcrooks
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Any 109 reviews yet? I was thinking o downsizing from the 210flex as I have sold all my other cabs, but I may just have to add a 109 to cover my quieter needs. The pic shows it vertical, which for me is perfect with a micro head.
Always experimenting...will gig this tonight:
So that's the 110 Sub with your MAS45? Looks great.
I'm looking forward to your full-on gig report nostatic!
A few live tracks (H6 out in the crowd, just the xy mics), no FOH:
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It took some adjustment as they are voiced and "feel" different than my Baers. These punch a bit more in the mids, the Baer has more bite in the upper mids. I was running these through the crossover (into the 110 sub, then into the 45). Typically i will run most of the night on my P pup (on the YYD) or the neck pup on the 5-string. In this case, I found that I preferred the bridge pup on both basses with these cabs.
Steuart and I are going to do another cabpalooza this Sunday as I've got some prototype amps from Jule that I'm testing. I also want to try the 45 alone on a jazz gig to see how that works out. The form factor on that cab is very nice - shallow front to back and lightweight.
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It took some adjustment as they are voiced and "feel" different than my Baers. These punch a bit more in the mids, the Baer has more bite in the upper mids. I was running these through the crossover (into the 110 sub, then into the 45). Typically i will run most of the night on my P pup (on the YYD) or the neck pup on the 5-string. In this case, I found that I preferred the bridge pup on both basses with these cabs.
Steuart and I are going to do another cabpalooza this Sunday as I've got some prototype amps from Jule that I'm testing. I also want to try the 45 alone on a jazz gig to see how that works out. The form factor on that cab is very nice - shallow front to back and lightweight.
Ok--
The 109 is meant to offer the Big E sound and presentation at a much lower price point. The compromises are
a bit bigger than the 110 sub--it's 28 tall, 13 wide and 15 deep
The bigger size allows us to get every ounce of low end out of the driver
a bit heavier--about 40#.
I'm using 3/8 Baltic Birch. Baltic Birch is really the best sounding and most durable plywood.It's also half the price. It's just a lot heavier than the Italian Poplar or Okume. The 3/8 Baltic is about as strong as 1/2" Okume and stronger than 1/2" Poplar.
again--as far as ultimate volume---we have to look at the Vd of the driver ---or the amount of air moved. The BP 102 that we're using has a VD of 200 cc's. For electric bass with the Big E technology I can safely say that we'll get twice the Vd due to the vortex. So let's say 400 cc's. This is still pretty conservative.
The 10's used in an SVT are only about 113 cc's. (according to Bill Fitzmaurice).Most 210's these days use drivers with longer excursion.
The other Eminence electric bass speakers might do 150 cc's. So 300 cc's for a 210.
Most of the best 210's out there don't have bigger vd's than the BP102. So if you look at the higher end 210's ---they might be 400 on the high side.
The Kappalite 10 that we use in the Flex's and 110 sub has a VD of 300 cc's. So these cabs would be more like about 600 cc's.
These figures for the MAS cabs are really conservative. The Big E guys find that for PA and subs they're more like 2.5 x the Vd. But the transients are so crazy for EB that I've backed that down.
Efficiency is about 97db. The BP102 goes VERY low. The resonant frequency of the BP102 is 35hz. The Kappalite 3015LF is 44 hz.
The sound--
A bit different than the Flex's. They are taut and punchy with just enough warmth. The 109 is warm and punchy with just enough tautness---if that makes any sense. The two 3" mid/tweets are pretty cool. The BP102 doesn't go high enough. Just using a regular horn tweet wouldn't go low enough. These 3's are really cool. Cheap and great sounding. They go from 100hz to 20khz. We're not going very low---just low enough to fill the slight dip of the BP102. I was going to post a graph but I realized that it's changed. I brought up the mids a bit. It measures +/- 3 db from 48hz to 18khz.
Oh---it's also designed to be in the vertical position. That's why it's a bit deeper. There is a deeper "scoop" in front which gives better integration in the vertical position. One of the tweets faces up toward you and the other fires down. If you're on a harder surface it gives a bit more "spread" to the highs
( I think I'm getting better at taking pictures)
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