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Big E Speakers pt 3

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It took some adjustment as they are voiced and "feel" different than my Baers. These punch a bit more in the mids, the Baer has more bite in the upper mids. I was running these through the crossover (into the 110 sub, then into the 45). Typically i will run most of the night on my P pup (on the YYD) or the neck pup on the 5-string. In this case, I found that I preferred the bridge pup on both basses with these cabs.

The speaker pole is on its way. It's a 26" pole and changes the tonal balance a lot. It will bring the upper bass/lower mids down.And bring the upper mids up.I can see why, if you're used to the Baers that you'd be using the bridge pups. Roger's are great cabs and he chose a specific voicing that works really well. We've worked on getting a flatter response in the upper bass/lower mids (than my previous cabs) but my cabs are admittedly a bit warmer in that area. That changes with the poles---the balance shifts away from the warmer upper bass/low mids and the upper mids come up as the balance shifts.
 
If God needed a bass cab this is want he would rock......
I got this 21O 15 minutes before a rehearsal and called
up mike Arnopol talking like a school kid. This is the finest ,
punchiest, biggest most articulate speaker I have every heard
for bass. I have never experienced a B string like I have with the 21O Flex..... Quick, hits you in the chest low end with freakish pitch definition and headroom for days. The midrange is just lovely and the tweeters have the right amount of snap and air.
Every speaker in the Big e line is slamming but there is something quite special about this one.

I have 3 gigs this weekend and will report back....
 

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Yeah---the 210 is pretty trippy. You're talking to the guy that was making composite cabs for two of the top designers in bass speakers (GREAT designers by the way)---a guy that would chortle and scoff at anyone dumb enough to carry a cab that weighed more than 35#.

It's just that I'm having so much fun playing the 210 . Kindof addicted. I'll be playing with an appropriate sound (with the P position pup on my Roscoe) for an Al Green tune and then flip the mid switch on the 210 for the next tune and it's the grindiest Bernard Edwards Stingray sound.

It's just plain fun.Hard for me to keep up my serious,jaded, slightly dark "jazz look".

I was playing a concert in NYC and we were done early enough to go to the 55 and hear Wayne Kranz. (with Anthony Jackson and Daphnis Prieto on drums---holy shite!) I was talking with Wayne and he knew my work with Patricia Barber. In asking about our group he said "is it fun?"

The 210 is fun.
 
I am floored........

This is the sh*t...


So glad you're digging it.

Nomatic is a guy that I trust and respect. He's a seasoned (nice word for older) player that has owned and gigged most high end pieces of gear. He's also a top recording producer and mastering engineer. I think the speakers he uses as his studio monitors are a custom setup that cost around $10k.

I trust and value his opinion---especially when it validates the possibility that I'm not batsh^t nuts.
 
a guy that would chortle and scoff at anyone dumb enough to carry a cab that weighed more than 35#.
Hey, I resemble that! :spit:
Ok--
The 109 is meant to offer the Big E sound and presentation at a much lower price point.
Darnit!
forgot one thing about the 109

It can be driven nicely with 200 watts. 150 will do it---I tried it.
It'll handle 300 watts no problem
Re-darnit!
I preferred when I couldn't even *dream* affording one! :atoz:
 
If God needed a bass cab this is want he would rock......
I got this 21O 15 minutes before a rehearsal and called
up mike Arnopol talking like a school kid. This is the finest ,
punchiest, biggest most articulate speaker I have every heard
for bass. I have never experienced a B string like I have with the 21O Flex..... Quick, hits you in the chest low end with freakish pitch definition and headroom for days. The midrange is just lovely and the tweeters have the right amount of snap and air.
Every speaker in the Big e line is slamming but there is something quite special about this one.

I have 3 gigs this weekend and will report back....

This is what I call an enthusiastic review. :D Playing through the 110 Flex has taken my bass playing satisfaction to a new level. Gotta agree with you 111% on the B string response. It's mind blowing and ear-gasmic to experience a cabinet this articulate across the spectrum. :eek:
 
An MA109 landed on my doorstep today and of course I dropped everything so I could try it for a while until my wife dragged me away.

I'm just gonna throw out my impressions as they come to mind:

First, my existing rig is a Mesa Walkabout driving a Genz Benz Neox 112. Decent sound, but somehow lacking. I tend towards a more old school sound. I don't slap and play fingerstyle most of the time. My basses are a passive mongrel P bass with D'Addario Chromes, a passive Warmoth Jazz bass with Nordstrand Big Splits and D'Addario Nickel round wounds, a Kubicki ExFactor with D'Addario Chromes running in passive mode, and a Pedulla ThunderBolt 5 with Bartolini electronics and D'Addario Nickel round wounds. I've got Aguilar OBP-3, Nordstrand 3 band and Bart 3 band preamps each mounted in outboard boxes with full bypass footswitches.
Initially I'm playing in an average size bedroom.

Before I tried the MA109 I played through the GB 112 for a while to set sort of a baseline for what I was accustomed to.

After 45 minutes with the MA109, I have to say WOW! I hadn't heard any Big E cabs prior to this, so I wasn't sure what to expect.

When I first connected the 109 and started playing I thought it sounded nice, but not spectacular. As I kept playing, trying different basses, preamps and playing around with EQ I started to like it more and more.

The first thing I noticed was the low end clarity. As Mike said, "The 109 is warm and punchy with just enough tautness". A perfect description. The real eye opener came when I plugged in the Pedulla 5. The clarity on the B string was astounding! Actual pitch definition on the lowest notes! It seemed like B string tone matched the other strings better.

I can really hear the differences between basses and even the subtle differences between preamps. Granted, a lot of the subtleties will be buried in a mix, but the clarity still comes through.

Each bass retains it's character all the way up the neck. Tone and volume are much more consistent anywhere on the neck. Fewer peaks and valleys in the response?

I can tell the low end is opening up more as the speaker breaks in. It sounds even better on an Auralex Gramma pad. Cuts down on the room resonances as you'd expect.

I see what you mean about the Big E having a more immediate sound and less overhang on staccato notes.

I think the Walkabout is just enough amp for the speaker, but in a louder situation I'd want more power to preserve the headroom. As the level increases the Walkabout gets fairly compressed. I'd like to find an amp that retains some punch but still has the warmth of the Walkabout.

Two 109's would be awesome! I wonder if they'd sound better side by side vertical or stacked horizontal. Stacked vertically would be interesting, but a little strange too. You'd certainly be able to hear yourself.

Granted my testing is limited, but I did notice that the sound was much more consistent anywhere I stood. The upward firing tweeter is nice if you're forced to stand close to the rig.

With most speakers that have tweeter attenuators I've tended to run them no more than 1/3 up. With the GB I even ran it with the tweeter at max attenuation. I was a little concerned that the 109 didn't allow for that, but it's a total non-issue. I love the way the high end sounds. Totally seamless transition from low end to high end. I use a T-rex Bass Juice overdrive a little and it sounds better too.

The sound responds to changes in right hand position and technique and EQ changes much more than with the GB 112.

I'm looking forward to trying it in a band setting, though at this point, I can't say when that will be.

As someone else noted, I'm using the bridge pickups more than I had been. Much less irritating honk than with other cabs and a wider range of usable tones.

The form factor is great with a small amp. With the cab vertical it might be kinda weird with a big tube amp sitting on it, but at that point you'd want at least a couple of 109s. ;)

Mike's construction is flawless. I never thought to ask about a handle or feet or corners, but there they are. The size, weight and form factor, and the handle location, make for an easy carry.

In the $575 price range (or more for that matter), I don't know of another speaker than can touch the MA109. An excellent value. I haven't played through anything that has sounded as good. Any misgivings I might have had about buying something I'd never heard before, especially a new model with no reputation or feedback, have vanished. I'm totally pleased with the purchase. I think Mike and Big E have a real winner with this one.

That's all I've got so far. I'm glad to answer any questions that I can, though my experience is limited at this point.

My overall impression of the MA109? :hyper::hyper::hyper::hyper::hyper:
 
If God needed a bass cab this is what he would rock......

This is the finest, punchiest, biggest most articulate speaker I have ever heard for bass.

I have never experienced a B string like I have with the 21O Flex.....

I am floored........

This is the sh*t...

The first thing I noticed was the low end clarity....

The clarity on the B string was astounding! Actual pitch definition on the lowest notes!

I can really hear the differences between basses and even the subtle differences between preamps... Each bass retains its character all the way up the neck.

Tone and volume are much more consistent anywhere on the neck.

I see what you mean about the Big E having a more immediate sound and less overhang on staccato notes.

My overall impression of the MA109? :hyper::hyper::hyper::hyper::hyper:

Congratulations, Mike. And congratulations to you too, Steve and Tom, wherever you are. You guys worked your butts off and then some, and you knocked it out of the park.
 
Thanks so much Duke!

Duke really is my speaker-making- mentor. He has selflessly supported me in spite of us being competitors. (as opposed to some)

And thanks to Ric also.

All that money I paid to Ric and Nomatic has really paid off!

Seriously---I haven't done any endorsements or anything like that. I'm just fortunate that some very nice guys and great players have dug the cabs.

While the Flex cabs were an exercise in "no holds barred---let's see what we can come up with" the 109 was extremely challenging. Coming up with a reasonably priced cab and picking the right compromises is really hard. That's why I really respect guys like Duke, Roger Baer and Andy Lewis (Acme) who have come up with insanely great cabs --and at an affordable price point.

Steve and Tom have been a dream come true to work with. They are first--class--nut--jobs that are completely relentless as far as never resting in pursuing new designs, constantly refining existing designs, and trying to actualize my incessant ramblings as far as my vision of what I think a bass cab should do.
 
Chicago Weather Rant

I've lived in Chicago for my whole life. This is the crappiest weather I've ever experienced.

We've got at least two feet of snow on the ground.

We've set records as far as below zero weather. It snows and then goes below zero. We haven't hit 30 in a month.

So---I make a reasonably big order with Faital. I should actually set this up. We have so much snow that when the sun hits the roof in the day time it melts. But re-freezes before it gets too far. So--I have 4 foot icicles everywhere. Then they melt and form puddles on the ground which immediately refreeze. It's like an ice rink all around my house.

So the UPS driver in his wisdom leaves the box right under all of the icicles. By the time I got home the box was soaked through and frozen in a puddle of water. Most of the drivers are trashed. UPS is going to cover it but it takes a while. So I had to reorder and re-pay for the speakers while I wait to get my dough from UPS.

Ahhh- the joys of entrepreneurship.

But the 210 is still fun to play.
 
Chicago Weather Rant

I've lived in Chicago for my whole life. This is the crappiest weather I've ever experienced.

We've got at least two feet of snow on the ground.

We've set records as far as below zero weather. It snows and then goes below zero. We haven't hit 30 in a month.

So---I make a reasonably big order with Faital. I should actually set this up. We have so much snow that when the sun hits the roof in the day time it melts. But re-freezes before it gets too far. So--I have 4 foot icicles everywhere. Then they melt and form puddles on the ground which immediately refreeze. It's like an ice rink all around my house.

So the UPS driver in his wisdom leaves the box right under all of the icicles. By the time I got home the box was soaked through and frozen in a puddle of water. Most of the drivers are trashed. UPS is going to cover it but it takes a while. So I had to reorder and re-pay for the speakers while I wait to get my dough from UPS.

Ahhh- the joys of entrepreneurship.

But the 210 is still fun to play.

IME, it's always better to have a laugh than a stroke! We sure have been getting a heavy dose of winter this winter. Thirty-nine days and five hours until Spring... :cool:
 
IME, it's always better to have a laugh than a stroke! We sure have been getting a heavy dose of winter this winter. Thirty-nine days and five hours until Spring... :cool:

I'll certainly welcome warmer weather, but we have *so* much snow piled up I worry about what's going to happen if we have anything more than a gradual thaw. Lots of flooding for sure.
 
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