Biggest mistake a band ever made

[rodv66]

I think it's universally acknowledged that Gillan's stint was not the greatest.

 

[tbz]

There was a good article about him in Rolling Stone (no, see below) - he became a special forces sniper.

EDIT not RS at all. here it is: Invalid Link Removed

That guy's life is utterly fascinating. It seemed to me, based on interviews I've read, that touring just wasn't his thing.

He seems pretty happy with life and has lived one hell of an interesting one.

Very inspiring in a "being a rockstar isn't all it's cracked up to be, so don't worry" kind of way.

 

[58kites]

Clearly, the line between fact and opinion, and how to differentiate them, is blurrier in your world than mine.

Do me the favor of not posting direct insults towards me here, try to keep them in your head until you can deliver them face to face.
That clarity of differentiation you speak of seems to always remain with people who are sure they are always right.

 

[rodv66]

Disagree completely re: KISS. Creatures of the Night and Animals were two of their best albums. I dare say they did better work sans makeup as it meant they had to focus on music. They did it not just for show but to move on from Criss and Frehley. Peter Criss in particular was a mess that made late 70s Ozzy look like a damn choir boy.

Also re: Sabbath, it was the only logical choice. Ozzy was a wreck and had they kept him they'd have just road on their first four albums for eternity. Ronnie was an amazing singer and really had things been done differently he could have breathed new life into the band.

Now for my controversial opinion: in terms of Van Halen, Sammy was the FAR better singer than Roth. Note that I didn't say he had better SONGS but as a talent there is no question. Sammy had a VERY successful career pre and post VH. And while Eddie focused more on keyboard work during those years, their music was still stellar it was just different. I look at the first two eras of Van Halen the way I look at 70s Heart and 80s Heart: both good but in different way. Or go back and look at Mop Top Beatles and Trippy Beatles.

On that note, the Beatles were really nearing the end of the lnie anyway. I fear had the continued they'd have fallen into the mold of just riding on their classics, throwing out an "experimental" album every few years to stay busy,. And I think all four of them really did great branching out, Harrison and McCartney in particular but even Ringo's solo stuff was great I thought.

 

[tbz]

That clarity you speak of is often the case with people who are always right.

Darn tootin!

Card carrying member of the Gene Simmons "head up mah own butt" club for life

 

[swafran]

The Wall would still be the Wall without Gilmour, minus 2-3 tracks.

s'all good and after this I'll let you be, but while I agree The Wall was Roger Water's baby, fyi the guitar work on The Wall is legendary. To guitar players it's like Jaco's The Birthday Concert to us bassists. The solo to Another Brick in the Wall alone is an entry in rock guitar history. And of a style that Gilmour personally defined.

 

[tbz]

s'all good and after this I'll let you be, but while I agree The Wall was Roger Water's baby, fyi the guitar work on The Wall is legendary. To guitar players it's like Jaco's The Birthday Concert to us bassists. The solo to Another Brick in the Wall alone is an entry in rock guitar history. And of a style that Gilmour personally defined.

Right. But a big chunk of guitar work on The Wall was Snowy White or other session guys, mimicking that style.

Not really sure how he defined a style that was basically clearly a product of his roots and environment. His playing and that of Clapton's, when Clapton played that style of guitar in Cream, isn't substantively different.

Outside of some arrangement work, most of what Gilmour added wasn't essential. A *lot* of guys play just like him, while he can't play like those guys. So I find the "he's a serious musician" argument his camp makes to be fallacious at best.

His unique contribution to Floyd wasn't about solos, in terms of what he added. It was arrangement stuff, which he definitely did well.

When it comes to guitarists that I know, and have played with, that believe Gilmour did anything out of the ordinary.....the ones that think he did something special usually aren't very proficient. While the ones that are proficient don't, and can mimic his style without much effort.

 

[matante]

OK I've now read all 12 pages of this thread and not one person brought up a band that debuted in this century.

The closest was Rage Against the Machine and a request for Britney Spears to pose for Playboy.

 

[rodv66]

OK, here you go. Children of Bodom covering, Whoops I did it Again

 

[rodv66]

From this century too

 

[Rumble Thunder]

But they had huge hits with "dreams" and "love comes walking in." Probably others that I'm forgetting. I'm pretty sure it wasn't a financial mistake.
more importantly, they rescued Sammy Hagar from all the dreadful music he was making before that.

It may have been a financial mistake...Van Halen was gargantuan at David Lee Roth's departure. The Van Hagar hits were ok but not the monster tunes the original band created.

The mistake was the integrity of the music and band was compromised. Instead of A grade music, I believe Van Hagar was B grade material even though Eddie Van Halen's guitar work is undeniable. The loss of Roth was catastrophic in terms of the band's personality, presence, charisma, charm, ethos, music and the message.

Btw Hagar ROCKS with Montrose. Check out the album with "Bad Motor Scooter and Rock the Nation." It rocks pretty hard.

Lastly, when you're a kid and buy Van Halen's first album from a record store and cover "Ain't Talking 'Bout Love" and "You Really Got Me " then it's a total and complete drag when that band implodes after years of killer albums. The Sammy thing is simply a weak substitute!

 

[Killed_by_Death]

OK I've now read all 12 pages of this thread and not one person brought up a band that debuted in this century.

Can you think of any?

 

[tlite]

We Built This City...

 

[matante]

Can you think of any?

The Growlers recently dumped a couple of their best members and put out a crappy new album with a completely different style. Killed the band for a lot of us.

I know mentioning The Growlers will increase the sound of crickets around here.

 

[58kites]

You asked what KISS had left without the makeup then acknowledge they had some decent tunes.

I don't acknowledge they had some decent tunes, I said I understood why some 10 year old kids still liked their records after becoming grown men.
Very different thing.

 

[jmlee]

At one point Eric Clapton, enamoured of The Band, flew to Woodstock to ask to join. It didn't happen. Discuss.

 

[Ellery]

A crucial mistake made by all bands since the early '90's was not scouting me out, discovering me, training me, funding my equipment, housing, and meals, and presenting me to the world as their primary artist and performer. Only in their ignorance is the bliss of never knowing what they missed out on, sad.

 

[Cropduster]

I'm genuinely surprised seeing as there was a Nickelback video posted there hasn't been an avalanche of bile spewed forth about how bad they are! everyone seems to rag on them non stop, yet barely a negative word has been said.
I have no opinion either way on this but every single time a conversation about bands comes up at a get together there is ALWAYS someone slagging them off.

And for what it's worth, my old man was a HUGE floyd fan, he was as depressed, neurotic and sad as they come, and he LOVED The Wall. all it's political commentary and innuendo spoke to him, i much preferred Wish You Were Here and Dark Side myself.
Regardless of whether Waters started the band or was in it first, he bailed on it for whatever reason, Gilmour was hired 16 years earlier so it's a fair assumption he contributed to their success, he and the other members had every right to keep the name, and it only became an issue when Waters wanted to profit from his past using the name and recognition that name and ALL the music created under it would bring him, the courts decided he couldn't have his cake and eat it, they were right.

 

[PillO]

All the Gilmour vs. Waters Pink Floyd

TL;DR

 

[tbz]

I don't acknowledge they had some decent tunes, I said I understood why some 10 year old kids still liked their records after becoming grown men.
Very different thing.

Your exact quote was:

"I don't argue that the Kiss audience loves them and still listens to their records, and I understand why."

It speaks for itself.

Their audience was factually composed of adults for their first 3-4 albums before they were even marketed towards kids.

So....yeah. I guess you can contradict yourself or claim that's not what you said.