How is that one not accurate?
I'll see if I can find one that has a deeper perspective on that if you feel his being added in, on salary isn't enough evidence.
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How is that one not accurate?
I'll see if I can find one that has a deeper perspective on that if you feel his being added in, on salary isn't enough evidence.
It really doesn't matter how he was brought to the band. They thought enough of his contributions that he was a member of the band, and had enough rights to the name that he and Nick Mason (who was an original member) were able to assume them.
I agree he had factual rights.
That didn't make it a classy move. Nor was his overall behavior very professional.
I will say again that I think Roger Waters is a very talented musical force and essential to the success they achieved.
But until that "hired second guitarist" showed up, the band was making not Gold or Platinum selling records.
Massive success only happened after David Gilmour was added to the creative team that became the Pink Floyd group of four musicians that brought us the legendary Dark Side of the Moon and the massively popular records that followed.
That version of Pink Floyd had a bass player that wrote great song lyrics and wrote some great bass lines, and was a conceptual author of a bunch of their material, but they also had a keyboard player that created a sound that is a big part of their records, and a guitar player that is instantly recognizable and has been the subject of so much imitation it isn't even funny, they were a group of four musicians that made a great band.
Roger Waters was never Chuck Berry the solo artist who hired local musicians at every gig location to be sidemen for an hour and half, a person who never was in a real group.
There are so many guitar students that want to learn to play David Gilmour guitar parts the way he does it is staggering, he is held up as a guitar legend by many, many people.
How many bass players aspire to be the bass player Roger Waters was?... certainly plenty but not millions and millions.
They were a band, that Roger Waters quit, and the other guys wanted to keep going.
The divorce proceedings that followed were like every nasty divorce, but the babies that were made by that band were made by four members of that marriage and the whole world knows it.
That's my opinion, and now I'm gonna be super arrogant and say I must be right because my opinion is the most valid one.
Goody for me!
But until that "hired second guitarist" showed up, the band was making not Gold or Platinum selling records.
Massive success only happened after David Gilmour was added to the creative team that became the Pink Floyd group of four musicians that brought us the legendary Dark Side of the Moon and the massively popular records that followed.
That version of Pink Floyd had a bass player that wrote great song lyrics and wrote some great bass lines, and was a conceptual author of a bunch of their material, but they also had a keyboard player that created a sound that is a big part of their records, and a guitar player that is instantly recognizable and has been the subject of so much imitation it isn't even funny, they were a group of four musicians that made a great band.
Roger Waters was never Chuck Berry the solo artist who hired local musicians at every gig location to be sidemen for an hour and half, a person who never was in a real group.
There are so many guitar students that want to learn to play David Gilmour guitar parts the way he does it is staggering, he is held up as a guitar legend by many, many people.
How many bass players aspire to be the bass player Roger Waters was?... certainly plenty but not millions and millions.
They were a band, that Roger Waters quit, and the other guys wanted to keep going.
The divorce proceedings that followed were like every nasty divorce, but the babies that were made by that band were made by four members of that marriage and the whole world knows it.
That's my opinion, and now I'm gonna be super arrogant and say I must be right because my opinion is the most valid one.
Goody for me!
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I watched several interviews where Roger admits he shouldn't have sued. That pretty much says it all, for me anyway. This is the first time I've ever seen a debate on how much of a member Gilmour was.
you're pretty adamant that Gilmour is entirely at fault based on biographies. "reads as" "it's possible" "that's just an assumption" say to me that bios in general are biased recollections skewed in favour of the interviewees desired perspective. I'm confident no one is truly blameless in any split but hanging your hat on someones quote in a bio doesn't really constitute fact, the person may believe his recollection is accurate and truthful but it's only an opinion, and while i know nothing about bands breaking up i've seen my fair share of personal relationships fall apart and the acrimony can go on for years, add huge egos and large amounts of cash and the motivation to demonise their opposite in a bio would be too much to walk away from.
And no one ever claimed band members were socially capable adults so anything written in band member biographies should really be taken with a grain of salt.
Well he's regularly doing gigs with the most elite musicians in the world, including a handful of appearances with Roger Waters himself, so some folks think he's pretty professional.
If two people who work together don't get along and decide they don't want to work with each other anymore, it's pretty silly to call one of them "unprofessional" because of it. David Gilmour doesn't owe it to Roger Waters to stay subservient to him in perpetuity, nor does he owe it to Roger Waters to quit using the name Pink Floyd when Roger is the one who left Pink Floyd. You've got some strange ideas about what's professional and what isn't, my friend. He's way more professional than most people on here.
When one started as a hired gun, and was not an original member, and decided he wouldn't get along with the primary lyric writer, then, yeah, by current working musician standards, it would be considered unprofessional.
It clearly wasn't at the time. We *clearly* don't agree here. But I know I wouldn't do that in a similar situation, out of respect for the initial opportunity. The gig and audience are more important than my ego.
There are guys in line waiting for similar gigs in this era. That initial gig was *handed* to Gilmour. Doing anything but saying "yes sir, no sir, please and thank you" by current standards, would be unacceptable, based on the folks I've run into in similar circumstances now.
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No need to get all religious about this, folks; it's a band of musicians who offer up music for you to listen to.
I think that Gilmour is a really excellent guitarist and made a huge contribution to PF. I haven't seen him or PF live, but I have seen Roger Waters and that was an excellent gig (I think Snowy White was playing guitar).
I think that Gilmour is a really excellent guitarist and made a huge contribution to PF. I haven't seen him or PF live, but I have seen Roger Waters and that was an excellent gig (I think Snowy White was playing guitar).
For 30 pounds a week, they're lucky he took the gig at all. Besides, Roger was a hired hand as well. Pink Floyd was all Syd Barrett's baby until he flipped out, and David came on board while Syd was still in charge. Roger didn't even want to write songs initially. He ended up doing it because he had to if they wanted the band to continue. So Roger and David, as well as Nick and Richard, were all on an equal footing when they had to let Syd go. Not the same as, for example, Nine Inch Nails, where the band is clearly Trent Reznor owned and operated.
EDIT: Oh, and Gilmour not only wrote plenty of Floyd songs, but he sang plenty, too, including a good portion of their hits.
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Roger was an original founding member. Syd was the primary creative force but Roger was the "responsible one" and was handed the reins by default, with the agreement of their management, when Syd became unstable.
David was still very much the new guy when Syd was let go. He hadn't appeared on any recorded works of theirs at that time but Roger, Nick and Rick had.
David took the gig at that rate because he wasn't doing well in his own career, had a band or two bail on him, and was pretty broke at the time.
OK, you win. David Gilmour is the worst person on earth and should have never ever done anything without Roger Waters' permission, and he should have surrendered publishing to all the songs he wrote to Roger and never ever recorded solo albums. And he should have done it all for 30 pounds a week, just like their original agreement.
I read Keith Richards book and I am totally positive that everything in it is totally factual, no fish stories, no skewing to favor Keith's perspective, all scientifically factual!!! Really...for sure...I totally believe that.
I think I'm gonna read David Gilmour's book next and then I can stand by every word he said and I will believe that he saved Roger Waters bacon and has been propping Roger up since 1972.
Geez, when I say that it sounds kind of ridiculous and far fetched and unrealistic.....hmmmmm.
I worked for a company and I invented their 10 best products and made the owner filthy rich, but after 30 years I still come in and lick his boots every morning even if he whizzes down the back of my shirt, because I'm professional and loyal and humble and really dumb.
You're a funny guy TBZ.
I think I'm gonna read David Gilmour's book next and then I can stand by every word he said and I will believe that he saved Roger Waters bacon and has been propping Roger up since 1972.
Geez, when I say that it sounds kind of ridiculous and far fetched and unrealistic.....hmmmmm.
I worked for a company and I invented their 10 best products and made the owner filthy rich, but after 30 years I still come in and lick his boots every morning even if he whizzes down the back of my shirt, because I'm professional and loyal and humble and really dumb.
You're a funny guy TBZ.
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Oh, and regarding the handing of the reins of Pink Floyd to Waters by their management....that's a complete falsehood. Their management bailed on Floyd and represented Syd as a solo artist instead, and Floyd got new management.
Apparently at the time there were dubious British doctors prescribing big blue sleeping pills to exhausted entertainers. (Touring musicians played a lot more nights a week than they do now, and there was a bigger party scene.) I guess these pills were like horse tranquilizers, which is why you had musicians choking on their own vomit without waking up. I'm sure that they didn't mix well with alcohol either.
My point is that the death of someone like Hendrix is probably more in the medical malpractice / bad patient vein, like Michael Jackson and Prince.
I'm that one wierd dude who prefered Sabbath with Dio and Ozzy solo........
I know whatcha mean, I'm that one weird dude that loves the Born Again album with Deep Purple's singer!
This happens to bassists a lot I suspect. Do you know the Greg Christian story?
Disagree. Frank was super-prolific. The problem with super-prolific people that actually show all their work is that they are not all gems. But there's great Zappa stuff from every period as far as I know. And I do find many of his lyrics funny. "Let's Make the Water Turn Black" from the 60s is great, but "I Come From Nowhere" in 1983 or whatever is even better. That is progress, which I like to see.
For an opposite perspective to yours, there's the Captain Beefheart camp. My understanding is that Captain Beefheart had the REAL sarcastic, condescending misanthropic personality, and he couldn't work with Frank anymore because Frank was such a pop-star user-friendly sellout!
