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Blew my 12".....AGAIN!!!!!

#161
David Jayne said:
I want us to! You said a driver is a driver. They're not! There's a huge difference between a hifi speaker and one meant for pounding bass, or guitar, or PA use. And there is possibly no more demanding source that a high powered bass amp fed by an aggressive played bass guitar. Way different than a music source. These are really very different technologies and applications, with very different goals.
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I have a set of Kef 104/2 Hi Fi speakers. They each have two 10's mounted horizontally facing up inside the cab with a substantial metal bar going right up through the middle. The whole box is the woofer with the mids and tweeters in their own cab bolted onto the front. Never seen anything like it. Very loud tight bass.
 
#163
tfer said:
A wall of 5" drivers, is nothing but a different way to move the same amount of air, as far fewer 15" or 18" drivers.

I believe the multiple 10" cabinets are the 'sweet spot' for bass cabinets, and that is where the R&D money lands, with various configurations (2X10, 4X10, 6X10 and 8X10) cabinets, both sealed and vented.

They have the 'look' and sound, along with a size that doesn't require a ridiculous number of drivers to reproduce the frequencies we need.
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There are a couple of guys around here who play Phil Jones. They're the only rigs I've ever heard reproduce a D-A double stop on the B and E strings of a fiver clearly. Try that on a typical BG cabinet and you hear mush at gig volume, if the drivers survive.
 
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okcrum said:
There are a couple of guys around here who play Phil Jones. They're the only rigs I've ever heard reproduce a D-A double stop on the B and E strings of a fiver clearly. Try that on a typical BG cabinet and you hear mush at gig volume, if the drivers survive.
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5" drivers have a better transient response. That's why it's clear. It has the low end because of the number of drivers.
 
#169
B-string said:
Fundamentally a speaker is a servo motor that is attached to a diaphragm.

By the way the EVM 15L and 15B's had a pretty poor Xmax and Xlim (excursion).
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Ya they're older technology but 28 yrs later they're still sounding great. Do you think someone could get much more actual volume out of a modern 15 in the same cab? I had a Hartke 15 for a few yrs and it wasn't any better, certainly not for the price.
 
#170
okcrum said:
I believe they're also sealed cabs, which makes cone control easier.

EDIT: NOPE, just checked. They are ported.
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Just like a little tl cab. I had a home theatre sub that fired out the bottom and had a passive radiator on the front. It was very loud for it's size, I think a single 5. Someone told me they act like a vent but on a sealed cab.
 
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Bigbri said:
Ya they're older technology but 28 yrs later they're still sounding great. Do you think someone could get much more actual volume out of a modern 15 in the same cab? I had a Hartke 15 for a few yrs and it wasn't any better, certainly not for the price.
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The point is to design a proper cab for the driver you have in mind. If you do that, with modern speakers you can create a cab which will lay waste to your 28 year old speaker cab. Yes, speakers have gotten that much better. Astonishingly better. Having said that I'm actually a fan of the 80's Hartke 115 cab. I think it sounds pretty good. But there are much better choices now.
Also, I think we've told the OP all there is to tell.
 
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David Jayne said:
The point is to design a proper cab for the driver you have in mind. If you do that, with modern speakers you can create a cab which will lay waste to your 28 year old speaker cab. Yes, speakers have gotten that much better. Astonishingly better. Having said that I'm actually a fan of the 80's Hartke 115 cab. I think it sounds pretty good. But there are much better choices now.
Also, I think we've told the OP all there is to tell.
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I know lol. The original point was he could get one for not much more than the 69 bux he was wanting to spend.
 
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David Jayne said:
The point is to design a proper cab for the driver you have in mind. If you do that, with modern speakers you can create a cab which will lay waste to your 28 year old speaker cab. Yes, speakers have gotten that much better. Astonishingly better. Having said that I'm actually a fan of the 80's Hartke 115 cab. I think it sounds pretty good. But there are much better choices now.
Also, I think we've told the OP all there is to tell.
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It sounded great but it wasn't any louder than the ev. I was told they blew to much especially the 10's. Which is why they came out with the XL's.
 
#175
My 2c, not that anyone asked. To the OP:

You really want to give the 12" one more try, the Eminence 3012 LF (LF stands for Low Frequency) is your guy. Time to cowboy up and break out your wallet. Those cheaper speakers are never going to cut it.

If you are going to do it right, retune the cabinet (info and details can be found online) to the best tuning for your needs and that box.

You might be pleasantly surprised at the results with what is arguably one of the best and toughest bass drivers available.
 
#176
I am still not understanding why the OP feels so determined to make this one blown cab the centerpiece of his rig? All this talk of the ultra-specific frequency requirements that call for this bodged-together bi-amp rig that can't make it through a gig? Dude, put down your slide rule and check out the THOUSANDS of bassists who schlep an ordinary cab to a gig and then go home with it in one piece.
 
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Kirk Bryant said:
My 2c, not that anyone asked. To the OP:

You really want to give the 12" one more try, the Eminence 3012 LF (LF stands for Low Frequency) is your guy. Time to cowboy up and break out your wallet. Those cheaper speakers are never going to cut it.

If you are going to do it right, retune the cabinet (info and details can be found online) to the best tuning for your needs and that box.

You might be pleasantly surprised at the results with what is arguably one of the best and toughest bass drivers available.
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Agedhorse says neigh to that plan.

Maybe 2 of them but I wouldn't bet the farm.
 
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#178
Downunderwonder said:
Agedhorse says neigh to that plan.

Maybe 2 of them but I wouldn't bet the farm.
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Aged Horse is right considering the tonal goals of the op (and who am I to contradict him) but if we just consider the power put in by the carvin amp it should be absolutely possible with a 3012lf to design a cab that will hold up down to 300 watt at 40hz. The key is that tuning frequency, it needs to go down. He needs a cab that is dedicated to perform in the 40 to 100 hz range. Temporarily stuffing the port will show that's the case, but imho will not be a good structural solution.

Chances are the op's problem will then shift from the cab to the amp.
 
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Matthijs said:
Aged Horse is right considering the tonal goals of the op (and who am I to contradict him) but if we just consider the power put in by the carvin amp it should be absolutely possible with a 3012lf to design a cab that will hold up down to 300 watt at 40hz. The key is that tuning frequency, it needs to go down. He needs a cab that is dedicated to perform in the 40 to 100 hz range. Temporarily stuffing the port will show that's the case, but imho will not be a good structural solution.

Chances are the op's problem will then shift from the cab to the amp.
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I think he's gonna need a bigger cab. .
 
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