Yes, that is exactly what I said.
Maybe you're serious... maybe you aren't. At this point it doesn't really matter.
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Boom Bass Cabinets?
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Yes, that is exactly what I said.
Maybe you're serious... maybe you aren't. At this point it doesn't really matter.
I will believe these could be good when people, not a person, post up that they are converts. They don't need to become household names, like Aspirin or Kleenex, but they should have some degree of support like a Glasstone, a Baer, an Audiokinesis, or a Fearful/less; guys who don't have a huge distribution chain, but who have cabinets that sell and hold value in the secondary market as well.
Until then, this has been a terrible thread. I'm not saying these are bad, but that this thread has done nothing to impress me in a positive way.
Until then, this has been a terrible thread. I'm not saying these are bad, but that this thread has done nothing to impress me in a positive way.
Did you?
Then you should have no problem quoting me saying we've made the best anything for bass amplification again. Because there is no such thing.
And thanks for the accusation. It couldn't possibly be your reading. Wow.
Everything has to start somewhere.
Do you understand that this line of cabs just came out? There is no secondary market yet, no one has resold one. If you'd like to call the retailer and get their take on sales, returns, etc. feel free. Or contact other TBers who have dealt with Chuck Levin's Washington Music Center. Their reputation is solid. Getting a new product line like this in there rarely happens.
Glasstone cabs, which I also use (yes, I still have mine), ran into the same sort of things early on so it's ironic that you'd mention that as a counterpoint. Extremely ironic.
These are sold through a large reputable store, which is not the case with the other brands you've mentioned AFAIK. That store and BBC stand behind these products. When you choose to believe what you believe is entirely up to you. We certainly had little control over the content and direction of thread. I will say that the misreadings are far worse than usual. Most seem to have gone without acknowledgement. Go figure.
No one is asking anyone to do anything outside of their comfort zone. That includes thinking these work. If you're interested and get a chance, check one out. If you need to wait for more feedback or official reviews, cool. Whatever you do is cool with us. Seriously.
At this point I can only imagine how much else is being read into this and as usual have no real idea as to why that's happening.
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I'm putting this right back on you. Don't imply that I'm twisting your words.
I was interested in your cabs and in your camp. Now I'm not. You seem to be quite comfortable talking out of both sides of your mouth. Slippery.
Maybe someone should let the owner, or partner, of the company know that his product is losing customers due to reckless and aggressive/ angry sales/ promo tactics.
Bummer. I guess fearful just got a lot more attractive.
Good luck sir.
I know they are new. I'm not going to get on the bloody edge and be an early adopter. I'll wait and see. If they sound great, then people will play them.
I'm also saying the tone and direction of this thread doesn't make me particularly interested in the future of them. I'm unfollowing.
I'm also saying the tone and direction of this thread doesn't make me particularly interested in the future of them. I'm unfollowing.
I haven't yet, but I'm still tempted to, try an alignment such as this Glasstone/Boom/Xsonics thing with my 12" Deltalites, mainly due to their rising response in their upper range.
Thinking if one could throw 2 woofers worth of bass through maybe middle mids, then physically filter off 1 drivers worth of uppermids/low treble, the result would be a smoother cab than if both drivers were facing forward in a more traditional cab.
Problem is, though they don't give a "warm" sound by default, that rising response has been working in my favor in real world situations.
See...things like bodies (hopefully we have a lot of those out front of the speakers) as well as things like drapes, tablecloths, etc., tend to "soak up" or damp a good deal of uppermids/treble while letting a lot of the lower stuff through. So, even though yourspeaker might sound a bit hot up there up close, when you get out to where your audience is, it ends up "just right".
If you put a "flat" speaker in the same situation, by the time the people and the room got done doing their thing to the sound, it wouldn't be flat anymore, rather leaning toward less clarity and definition, more biased toward the lower half of the bandwidth.
Some may call this muddy, others may call it warm, and they'd both be right. It's a matter of opinion.
Of course, in a stage monitoring situation, that wouldn't apply so much and a "fat but still articulate" cab could be made with sttong output "where it counts" could be made in a fairly compact size.
Of course, mine would be made with an ear toward driving smallish venues on its own primarily, with having "righteous tone" 6ft. in front of it as a secondary goal, and thus would be a 3.5-4cu.ft. "proper size for a 212" anyway and not such a compact affair.
I could also see such an alignment as a useful way of beefing up something like a DeltaPro or EVM 12L in order to keep their superior topend while beefing up their "meaty" range for bass.
The old Acoustic 408 cab Is a good, albeit large, example of this with 215s facing forward with 2 more facing up/down to accentuate their lows/low mids.
Could also see it leading to mud with a driver who's emphasis was already on the lower side of things.....
Musings....
Back to your previously scheduled commercial....
Thinking if one could throw 2 woofers worth of bass through maybe middle mids, then physically filter off 1 drivers worth of uppermids/low treble, the result would be a smoother cab than if both drivers were facing forward in a more traditional cab.
Problem is, though they don't give a "warm" sound by default, that rising response has been working in my favor in real world situations.
See...things like bodies (hopefully we have a lot of those out front of the speakers) as well as things like drapes, tablecloths, etc., tend to "soak up" or damp a good deal of uppermids/treble while letting a lot of the lower stuff through. So, even though yourspeaker might sound a bit hot up there up close, when you get out to where your audience is, it ends up "just right".
If you put a "flat" speaker in the same situation, by the time the people and the room got done doing their thing to the sound, it wouldn't be flat anymore, rather leaning toward less clarity and definition, more biased toward the lower half of the bandwidth.
Some may call this muddy, others may call it warm, and they'd both be right. It's a matter of opinion.
Of course, in a stage monitoring situation, that wouldn't apply so much and a "fat but still articulate" cab could be made with sttong output "where it counts" could be made in a fairly compact size.
Of course, mine would be made with an ear toward driving smallish venues on its own primarily, with having "righteous tone" 6ft. in front of it as a secondary goal, and thus would be a 3.5-4cu.ft. "proper size for a 212" anyway and not such a compact affair.
I could also see such an alignment as a useful way of beefing up something like a DeltaPro or EVM 12L in order to keep their superior topend while beefing up their "meaty" range for bass.
The old Acoustic 408 cab Is a good, albeit large, example of this with 215s facing forward with 2 more facing up/down to accentuate their lows/low mids.
Could also see it leading to mud with a driver who's emphasis was already on the lower side of things.....
Musings....
Back to your previously scheduled commercial....
One could compare this with the "problem" of a lot of pro-sumer PA cabs and muddy vocals..."I can hear somebody singing but I can't understand way they're saying" problem......
That is an excessive amount of lowmid output where the pole-mounted cab comes above its bafflestep, combined with the people/room absorbing too much sound up in the definition/clarity range, combined with poor dispersion, leading to crap vocal sound.
Sometimes "flat ain't where it's at".
That is an excessive amount of lowmid output where the pole-mounted cab comes above its bafflestep, combined with the people/room absorbing too much sound up in the definition/clarity range, combined with poor dispersion, leading to crap vocal sound.
Sometimes "flat ain't where it's at".
More drama?
Once again, words mean something. I didn't IMPLY anything, I said you made something up and tried to attribute it to me. What you said was not true. That is not an implication.
You are one "potential" customer who decided to twist my words and when all you had to do was show proof of what you clearly imagined, you get in a huff INSTEAD. Don't worry,
you just let me know we lost a customer. What I'm having to deal with here with some of you is pretty silly and completely expected. And I'm not angry about it. I know these are not for everyone and I know I didn't write anything as silly as what you tried to attribute to me. And apparently so do you. So I called you on it. What you did was both aggressive AND wrong. Care to own up to that? Of course not.
Enjoy your future purchase whatever it might be. fEarful cabs seems to have a nice following. Hopefully you're done with this.
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I don't plan on spending any more energy defending what hasn't been said by anyone on the side of these products. At this
point anyone who wants to think that holding it's own is an outrageous claim will find no quarrel with me.
point anyone who wants to think that holding it's own is an outrageous claim will find no quarrel with me.
clearly you say whatever you want on impulse, then deny you said such a crazy thing, even when your exact words are quoted. Crazy stuff buddy...
Yes, you lost a potential customer, but I assume you couldn't care much less. Maybe your partner would. That's his problem now I suppose.
Interesting marketing approach you have. No more wasted energy from me
Yes, you lost a potential customer, but I assume you couldn't care much less. Maybe your partner would. That's his problem now I suppose.
Interesting marketing approach you have. No more wasted energy from me
clearly you say whatever you want on impulse, then deny you said such a crazy thing, even when your exact words are quoted. Crazy stuff buddy...
Yes, you lost a potential customer, but I assume you couldn't care much less. Maybe your partner would. That's his problem now I suppose.
Interesting marketing approach you have. No more wasted energy from me
Then either quote me (not just say you quoted me) and be done with it. What crazy thing did I write?
Anyone who understands what crazy stuff this person is talking about, feel free to point it out.
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Here's where this started. There was no claim of outperforming that Slade complained about. There is no way to keep an imagined statement from turning the imaginer off. And no one who's commented on hearing a BBC cab has complained about others making claims about other cabs so I don't know what the heck Slade is talking about.
It did contribute to taking this thread down the rabbit hole.
Here's where Slade did not quote a claim but keeps talking about bold claims. And for someone who keeps talking about what they quoted before he can't find those bold claims that he supposedly quoted again.
I have no idea what's going on with this person, it certainly makes no sense. Maybe he's trying to get the thread shut down. I've reported this, it's gone on too long.
Well, I started reading back through the thread. I was going to maybe help clear some points, but the repeated disdain for the community here warranted or not has left me with the feeling the thread should be closed." I am right 'cause I hear it" and if you have a different position you're closed minded children. Wasted bandwidth? Possibly. Don't bother quoting me this time Brad, this time it is not a discussion or debate. This time it is my closing personal observations.
I was originally pointing out that the thread was turning into a pissing match, as many here have. Strong claims were made which clearly raised people's blood pressure (not mine- I was just pointing it out). I told your buddy not to leave as he sounds like a real player. I talked about bold claims and you doubled down.
I'm just a bass player, not a lawyer or politician. Call it like I see it. I don't read between the lines. You imply things, I take them for what you imply. I got sucked in by your bizarre approach. I don't want your thread shut down. my last post. Again- I hope whoever designed these cabs the best of luck.
I'm just a bass player, not a lawyer or politician. Call it like I see it. I don't read between the lines. You imply things, I take them for what you imply. I got sucked in by your bizarre approach. I don't want your thread shut down. my last post. Again- I hope whoever designed these cabs the best of luck.
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