Boomy

[belaxa]

I can´t achieve my own sound on stage. I have an GK RB1001-II + GK Neo212 cab. Near the cab its a boomy world and undefinition. When I dial my rig to a proper sound on stage, the bass lack of booty to the public.
Do you have any tutorial about a rapid (20 seconds ) soundcheck ?

 

[bongomania]

Cut a notch around 150-180 Hz, and turn down the lows below 50 Hz. That's a quick fix for most "boomy" problems.

I know it sounds weird to suggest turning down the lows, but most "booty" is really not in those super low frequencies.

 

[larryshaw48]

I'd go further, Cut anything below 100Hz

 

[belaxa]

Thanks, I´m reading some posts here about stage coupling an other stuff.
Last saturday, during the show, I´d boost a little the horn in my biamped head, about 9 o clock, turn a little to full the mids in my Stingray, and cut a little bit the lows in my bass preamp.
The result was a close to decent sound on stage, but lacking of bass at the audience.
I think it was the amp/cab placement. It was too close to me. In my house I did some sound testing walking close and about 3/4 meters the boominess disapear. I mean a huge difference, not subtle change. Figure that after few minutes checking different settings, with or without sansamp, Presicion, Stingray, my ears and stomach comes to hurt and a headache appear by the extreme low freq pressure.

 

[testing1two]

First and foremost tilt the cab back. The midrange and high frequency clarity you're not hearing is far more directional than bass. If you don't tilt your cab that sound is hitting you in the a$$ not the ears unless you stand 15+ feet in front of your cab.

 

[Ric5]

I can´t achieve my own sound on stage. I have an GK RB1001-II + GK Neo212 cab. Near the cab its a boomy world and undefinition. When I dial my rig to a proper sound on stage, the bass lack of booty to the public.
Do you have any tutorial about a rapid (20 seconds ) soundcheck ?

Start with a flat eq. Get pa support with subwoofers. Use your amp just for stage volume and use the pa for what the audience hears. A pair of 18" folded horn subs will have more balls than any bass amp.

 

[TimmyP]

I think it was the amp/cab placement. It was too close to me. In my house I did some sound testing walking close and about 3/4 meters the boominess disapear. I mean a huge difference, not subtle change.

What happens in a small room and what will happen in a large room will likely be entirely different.

 

[fokof]

Is there a PA?
A real one ?
What's more important to you , your self pleasure or what the paying public hears ?

If there is a PA with subs , cut everything below 100hz on your amp and be sure you give a pre EQ signal.
You will "feel" the the bass from the PA.

 

[belaxa]

Most of the times we play without PA. The scenario with PA are more simple, the amp act as a monitor and going to PA before the preamp section, I can tweak knobs until I feel confortable with the stage sound. (tomorrow we have a a show with PA, subs, monitors etc, all Yamaha quality.
I like those minimal rocker shows, with all the sound coming from the stage, with a simple PA pushing the voices an a bass drum reinforcement. Like a rehearsal with steroids.
Yesterday I connect the amp in other place, the symptom are the same, too much bass near the cab or bass lacking at 3/4 meters away. It´s a common characteristic in the bass world?

 

[bongomania]

Yes, very common. The acoustics of every room can make your amp sound totally different between one place and another.

 

[garagebassman]

I play most gigs w/ PA for vox only, adding kick drum for larger rooms, and I have noticed this phenomenon more as I've been making trips out to the dance area (20 ft away).

I always thought that generally a "thinner" stage sound translated to more of abalanced out front tone....but I am finding that it seems to be much more room dependent.

At the room we played over the weekend there seemed to be more loss of low end out fron t than ive noticed at outdoor gigs !

A frustrating issue nonetheless.....