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Boss GT-10B

#502
That's exactly what I wanted to know, thank you very much!
That means buying a GT10B is easier than separating the Cube preamp from the Combo... :-) I just love the sound of the Roland modelling!
 
#503
gumtownbassman said:
...use the Send/Return effect, placed at the end of either the A or B channel chain, used in Normal or Branch out modes.
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For some reason I did not consider this, though I'm not sure why. The nice thing about using the Send is that it provides yet another output control. I don't have any other devices in the effects loop so the Send will be able to function entirely as another controllable output. Perfect! :)
 
#504
gastric said:
For some reason I did not consider this, though I'm not sure why. The nice thing about using the Send is that it provides yet another output control. I don't have any other devices in the effects loop so the Send will be able to function entirely as another controllable output. Perfect! :)
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I forgot exactly what you are doing, but it sounds pretty technical :bassist:
 
#505
Gaetano Paul said:
I forgot exactly what you are doing, but it sounds pretty technical :bassist:
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Unfortunately I'm still in the technical aspect of things VS the musical. But it's still a fun adventure. I'm basically using the GT-10B as a MIDI and I/O control at this point and feeding a laptop running VST. On some patches I'm still using the GT-10B for some of the sound, others none at all. Seems counter intuitive to not use the DSP on the GT-10B considering that's what most people buy it for. But it's still very useful for signal routing and MIDI control, plus it has a tuner, and nice LCD for naming patches. In contrast the Behringer FCB1010 cannot do any of that, though the FCB1010 does have more MIDI control capabilities (latching MIDI CC, MIDI Note, scalable expression output, etc.) But I can actually emulate most of that in Plogue Bidule via it's many MIDI filter/morphing features.

Hopefully someday soon I'll have some sort of actual band/project together to showcase what it all can do.
 
#506
gastric said:
Unfortunately I'm still in the technical aspect of things VS the musical. But it's still a fun adventure. I'm basically using the GT-10B as a MIDI and I/O control at this point and feeding a laptop running VST. On some patches I'm still using the GT-10B for some of the sound, others none at all. Seems counter intuitive to not use the DSP on the GT-10B considering that's what most people buy it for. But it's still very useful for signal routing and MIDI control, plus it has a tuner, and nice LCD for naming patches. In contrast the Behringer FCB1010 cannot do any of that, though the FCB1010 does have more MIDI control capabilities (latching MIDI CC, MIDI Note, scalable expression output, etc.) But I can actually emulate most of that in Plogue Bidule via it's many MIDI filter/morphing features.

Hopefully someday soon I'll have some sort of actual band/project together to showcase what it all can do.
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I have been getting ready to use the GT as a midi controller for Abelton live, but cant seem to figure out a clear game plan. WHat DAW are you using? Know a good sitar VST?
 
#507
I happen to have chosen Plogue Bidule as my live VST host. At first glance it's complicated, and some of it is. But it's extremely versatile and includes a huge amount of MIDI processing so you'd be able to hook the GT-10B's basic MIDI output and morph/filter/scale/whatever it to what you need. I haven't figured out the best way to change the GT-10B's pure momentary MIDI CC to latching MIDI CC without causing some logic issues (if you latch a CC and leave that patch it retains that latch, need some way to initialize on each patch entry) but otherwise it does nearly everything the FCB1010 can do. Sends

* Sends MIDI PC on each patch change.
* Sends MIDI CC for each footswitch (CTL1, CTL2, EXP SW) and variable CC for the EXP. Plus you have additional CTRL or EXP you can add externally.

What you can't do is program the MIDI CC per patch, it's totally global. But that's where your host comes in handy if it can morph MIDI for you.
 
#508
Yeah I am thinking maybe I set one ctrl for start/stop looper, the other for scene change (STILL NOT SURE THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS WITH ABELTON) and maybe keep my control 3 a bpm tap. Not sure, I am still in the beginning stages of trying to formulate a ambient set with just me as the instrumentalist. So can the GT be link to the tempo of the DAW? Is that what your issues last month were?
 
#509
Correct, my issue was the GT-10B seems to have a poor clock sync, at least based on my testing. Clock seems to drift, there's no way to reset the LFO cycle. For the electronica I'm attempting I'm relying a lot of tight beat sync, lots of slicer/tremolo feeding filters for razor sharp envelopes, etc. I couldn't get the GT-10B to do that to my satisfaction.

For me the software solutions are much more versatile overall anyway, so it actually worked out in my favor pushing me back to software.
 
#511
So can you place the send and return anywhere you want on the line? Because I heard a synth pedal is great with this and I'm thinking about getting an octave, filter and or chorus to create more cool sounds. Can you use more than one pedal through send/return? I just bought this and I have to wait at least a week to get it but I'm already planning my stuff out.
 
#512
deadwtxsky said:
So can you place the send and return anywhere you want on the line? Because I heard a synth pedal is great with this and I'm thinking about getting an octave, filter and or chorus to create more cool sounds. Can you use more than one pedal through send/return? I just bought this and I have to wait at least a week to get it but I'm already planning my stuff out.
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Yes you can place the Send/Return anywhere in the effect chain, and you can series as many external pedals as you want through it.
This is a per/patch setting, so the chain postion and levels can be different on each of the 200 user patches.
 
#515
deadwtxsky said:
What separate effects units would you or do you use?
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Whatever you want, which is the great thing about it. :)

I currently have an OC-2 in my loop, it drives the synths better than the included octaves, doesn't seem to clip as easily as when it's in front of the GT-10B, and even better the synths grab a better envelope tracking for the filtering with the OC-2 in the loop instead of before the GT-10B.

I've also put a Line6 M9 and a Source Audio Bass Envelope Filter in the loop.

As you can see above I've also use the "Branch" feature of the loop to provide yet another level controllable output from the unit.
 
#518
deadwtxsky said:
What does branch do? been combing the forum. Haven't heard anything about that.
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I thought the manual was quite clear about what "branch" does...:

"Outputs the input to SEND/RETURN to
the SEND jack. The input from the RETURN
jack is disregarded. For example,
using this with the GT-10B’s reverb and
delay immediately ahead of the SEND/
RETURN allows you to use the SEND
jack as a direct out."
 
#520
The "problem" with the manual is it's huge. If you're like me your eyes gloss over after about 20 pages. But it has a good index, and the PDF is searchable. But there's a lot of features in this bad boy, including some very advanced ones that take some brain power to conceive of good uses for them like envelope based channel levels, wave pedal for LFO, and non-standard stuff like the FX loop branch out.
 

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