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Boss GT-10B

#701
TheBogart said:
take a look at this:
Shoot Out - Line 6 M13 v Boss GT-10B - Fullscreen
:)
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For such a long article there's not much mention of the various effects each offers or doesn't, I/O, or how they SOUND. Just a lot of words, imo.

It does sum up the intuitive usability of each well though. The Line6 is more understandable, the BOSS more confusing. At least to the novice user, and at first glance.

I personally owned both the M9 and GT-10B and the only thing I found that the M9 did better were drive effects. And being small. :)

The BOSS won out for everything else. Better sounding modulation, for starters, usable envelope effects (M9 has no touch wah at all, or any bass wahs even), and on and on and on. And the M9 has no expression available, and a much more complicated way of accessing banks/presets though the M13 is better than the M9 in that regard via it's dedicated scene button.

GT-10B wins for me. There's enough usable drive effects, and enough excellent sounding amp sims that you can literally use the unit without an actual amp if you wanted.

One correction to the article: I believe the M9/M13 does in fact have a "Whammy" effect via a pitch effect. But you need an additional expression pedal to actually use it, where the GT-10B has the expression as part of the unit.
 
#704
gastric said:
That I cannot answer. I have owned a few stand-alone BOSS pedals in the past but never at the same time as any of the BOSS multieffects boxes.
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The *general* consensus is that individual pedals sound better. However, I think that is much too simplified a view. I don't see any reason why the gt10b can't sound better than any stand-alone pedal. It comes down to the quality of the design in the end.

Many of the boss stand-alone pedals are analog in nature. The gt10b has a digital processor. Many people get into the "analog sounds better" argument. Again, it isn't that simple. I'm an analog designer by trade and will tell you that there are too many variables involved to say how a standalone analog pedal would compare to a digital version. Many factors like SNR, sampling rate, DSP power and signal bandbidth all come into play.

All this is to say... you have to try them and trust your ears
 
#705
I have some boss pedals, bf3, oc-3 and a ps-5..

And a line6 m13, but the modulations, filters, are not soo god...

The stand-alone pedals FM4, MM4, DL4 and the rack versions of it, sound better than m13...

So I'll sell my m13, to get a boss gt-10b but my doubt is about quality of the effects in gt-10b, cause I know how the boss pedals sounds, if it sound the same or close to the pedal, is my way to go haha

:hyper:
 
#706
The boss modulation effects sound much better than the Line6 M9/M13 effects for certain. And the Line6 M9/M13 envelope based effects (filters, synth, etc.) have horrible envelope tracking with bass guitar which is why they sound so terrible. The GT-10B will sound much better in those regards. I love the touch wah, totally useable, sounds EXCELLENT.

Check out the GT-10B clips on my page for some examples of factory modulation presets.
 
#707
The GT-10B is as good as some of the Boss pedals, probably with the exception of distortion pedals.
But the GT-10B has more controls and parameters available than the pedals it emulates.
I think there is a bigger picture than only emulating a pedal tone, the analog pedals don't have realtime EXPression control or signal routing options, and they don't have 200 programmable patch settings there for instant recall.
The thing with a digital modeler is the sound setting you decide on can be saved and the settings recall (patch) sounds exactly as you saved it.
 
#708
mozarwasagenius said:
The *general* consensus is that individual pedals sound better. However, I think that is much too simplified a view. I don't see any reason why the gt10b can't sound better than any stand-alone pedal. It comes down to the quality of the design in the end.

Many of the boss stand-alone pedals are analog in nature. The gt10b has a digital processor. Many people get into the "analog sounds better" argument. Again, it isn't that simple. I'm an analog designer by trade and will tell you that there are too many variables involved to say how a standalone analog pedal would compare to a digital version. Many factors like SNR, sampling rate, DSP power and signal bandbidth all come into play.

All this is to say... you have to try them and trust your ears
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+1 to that

You have to trust your ears.

I picked up a boss GT 10B on the cheap with the purpose of testing and reselling. I found that the interface was easy to use, it had many setup options, and the sound quality was very high, however for some of the effects you could hear that it was not an anolog produced sound. The bang for the buck is high, but you should ask yourself a couple of questions first:

1. How much of this device will I use.
For me it was to bulky for the number of effects that I would use.

2. How will I use it?
I do think that if you want multiple quality effects for the price of 2 - 4 pedals this is the way to go. If you want hight quality sound I would suggest function specific pedals.

I ended up getting a Korg Pandora PX5D. :rolleyes::confused::rollno:

(After you get done rolling your eyes and laughing, I will explain).

For a street price of $160 I got:

180 distinct and adjustable effects including amp models, cabinet simulations, popular pedal and studio FX
Use up to seven effects at once - all in a single program: Dynamics/Amp/ Cabinet/ Modulation/Delay/Reverb/ Noise Reduction
200 programs provided - 100 preset and 100 user-programmable
128 realistic, high-quality PCM Rhythm & Bass Patterns; 774 variations, including Major and Minor voicing (These and be pretty cheesey)
20 Chains, each holding 16 Patterns (Patterns can repeat)
Editing Software included - for editing Programs or creating Pattern Chains
Bass & Drum sounds can be played via MIDI (USB)
AUX IN jack for playing along with external CD or MP3 audio sources
Transpose the key of any external audio signal
Bass Cancel removes the bass from any external audio signal
Phrase Trainer records up to an 80 second loop from an external CD, MP3 or other external audio source, perfect for practicing and learning a riff
Auto Chromatic Tuner with Mute function for silent tuning
Semi-transparent LCD with backlighting switch for easy viewing
Multi-controller interface for quick and intuitive editing
Adapter cable for connecting two (optional) footswitches is included.
USB Mode transforms the Korg PX5D into a stereo USB Audio interface for connecting to any DAW recording software
Place Pandora inline between your guitar and amp, or connect to your amp's effect loop
Record directly from the PX5D stereo output
Runs on either batteries or an optional AC adaptor

I now have a rig that will fit in my pocket, has good sound options that I can customize and store, runs on batteries or adapter, has a metronome, an aux for my mp3 player or smart phone with slow down or looping apps, and I can practice anywhere or anytime without bothering my friends family or neighbors. I also can get a good feel for the different effects that are available and how to use them without buying a lot of different pedals.

Is the Pandora as good as the Boss?

NO FREAKING WAY!!!!!

The interface is not as good and it is much easier to edit your presets with a computer and the software, but it can be done all on the Pandora.

It is a good way to have a silent portable practice rig and test many effects and amp/cab models before spending serious bucks on pedals.
 
#709
dsamudio said:
1. How much of this device will I use.
For me it was to bulky for the number of effects that I would use.
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Size is always a concern for people. But keep in mind it only LOOKS big. It's actually about as wide as sticking 4 standard sized BOSS pedals side-by-side, leaving enough room for patch cables, then stick a 5th pedal or an expression pedal along side it all. Of course it's deeper and may or may not weight a little more. But you have to account for pedal board, power source(s), patch cables, etc. In the end it's not that big, and maybe "small" when you consider the huge signal chains you can build with it.

I'm still not convinced 3-4 individual pedals would sound definiteley better. There's plenty of poor sounding individual pedals. And if you buy a $300 GT-10B used and divide that by 4 you're only allotting $75/pedal, subtract out patch cables, a board to mount them to, power sources, etc. One of those will be a tuner, now you hae 3 pedals left to buy.

The GT-10B has tons of bang for the buck, and tons of bang period. LOVE IT! :)
 
#710
One of the other handy features i forgot to mention is the USB connection, you can record with it, re-amp pre-recorded tracks, and play backing audio from a laptop.

In the past i have also used the GT-10B USB and a laptop to send audio and midi from the GT-10B to a audio to midi converter program, to a softsynth, and pass the synth audio back to the GT-10B to mix with the bass, and use the midi to change synth patches at the same time..
I thought that was pretty cool.!!
You can even use the GT-10B with the likes of Guitar Rig-4 software live too.
 
#714
dug dog said:
That could be a lot of fun especially if you could find a good audio to midi converter that doesn't cost a small fortune.
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This is what i used..
A few select patches on the GT-10B set so the normal bass sounds with the EXP pedal heel down, and EXP toe down does the softsynth (S/R return level) sent from the laptop audio out to the GT-10B Return, the two tones are mixed with the EXP pedal in the mid position.
The USB/DGT block is moved to the front of the chain for the audio to midi program gets a full clean signal from the bass.
The S/R block can be placed in channel B and effects added to the synth tone only if required.
An alternate way of controlling the synth level is to only use the USB (no S/R), but have the softsynth set so the EXP pedal midi operates the synth level (inversed).

The polophonic software i used for audio to midi is
TS AudiotoMidi Converter -- converts digitized music into MIDI sequences, can process polyphonic music midi converter

and the softsynth i used is Z3TA+
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#715
TheBogart said:
you put the gt-10b in tuner mode with muted output?

or how can you setup the gt-10b and guitar rig to use the 10b as a midi controler?
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First place the USB/DGT effect block to the front of the GT-10B signal chain.
In GR-4 open the driver control panel and select ASIO for the driver (GT-10B driver installed and set to 'advanced driver mode').
In the GR-4 audio/midi control panel select GT-10B as the input and output audio devices and the GT-10B as the midi input device.
That is all that is needed to get GR-4 running through the GT-10B, you may choose to use the GT-10 patch effects too, or mute the master patch level (which doesn't affect the USB audio).
To use the midi in GR-4, you will need to enable the 'midi learn' feature to make use of the CTL pedals and EXP pedal (a bit like the GT-10B assigns).
 
#718
Patch master level in the menu (not the knob).
If the USB/DGT is at the start of the chain, the level will always be maximum going out the USB, and you should see the input and output meters working in GR-4.
The GT-10B SYSTEM USB level will control the return levels from the computer.
(i think i got that right - it has worked for me).
As an alternative, you could use the computer analog line out to the GT-10B S/R Return and place that block anywhere before effects you might want to use from the GT-10B (maybe in channel B), then you could toggle between channel A & B.
 

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