Never used any and aren't willing to even try any....
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Bugera Bass Amps???
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Never used any and aren't willing to even try any....
Maybe I just have been lucky, but I never had any issue with any piece of Behringer gear that I or the band have owned.
If it wasn't so I probably hadn't dared to buy an all tube amp from Bugera.
Ok, I must admit that with its low price tag the risk wasn't that high even if it failed badly - but it didn't.
Instead the BVV3000 made me so happy, except the weight *sigh*, that it was an obvious choice to try out the Veyron when it came out.
I've been following the news around it from the day it was first announced, and once it was available I immediately grabbed a Tube one.
Was quite happy with it, until after a few days a friend of mine went to the Thomann store and compared it to the mosfet version, which he liked even more.
So I decided to order that one, too, and keep the one I liked better.
Ended up agreeing with him, wasn't an easy decision, but after a few days of comparing and thinking pros and cons I kept the M and sent the T back.
Still very happy with that choice.
I don't give a sh*t what the exact number of Watts this thing is able to put out, it easily blows my 300W all tube monster off the cab, so it's way more than I might ever need.
You can kill small animals with that little beast on an 810...
If it wasn't so I probably hadn't dared to buy an all tube amp from Bugera.
Ok, I must admit that with its low price tag the risk wasn't that high even if it failed badly - but it didn't.
Instead the BVV3000 made me so happy, except the weight *sigh*, that it was an obvious choice to try out the Veyron when it came out.
I've been following the news around it from the day it was first announced, and once it was available I immediately grabbed a Tube one.
Was quite happy with it, until after a few days a friend of mine went to the Thomann store and compared it to the mosfet version, which he liked even more.
So I decided to order that one, too, and keep the one I liked better.
Ended up agreeing with him, wasn't an easy decision, but after a few days of comparing and thinking pros and cons I kept the M and sent the T back.
Still very happy with that choice.
I don't give a sh*t what the exact number of Watts this thing is able to put out, it easily blows my 300W all tube monster off the cab, so it's way more than I might ever need.
You can kill small animals with that little beast on an 810...
I've seen it a few times with other gear under the guise of "I know things". Experience is totally overrated.
I'm also quite curious as to what should be regarded as too similar, designwise. To my mind, the similarities to the GB are superficial at best. IMHO, the Veyron is much closer to this:
Anyway, since they're both now the same company, that point is somewhat academic. But it also begs the question of whether those who think the Bugera is a ripoff of GB (or even TC) would feel the same about the many Fender copies around - most of them are much more similar to the original than a Veyron is to a GB, in fact, to an untrained eye, they would be practically identical. I can understand that people would be angry about a corporate giant ripping off a small company, but what about boutique builders like Sadowsky who could be said to be ripping off Fender by copying their designs? Now, I'm on the fence on this - in general, I think we would be better off if companies didn't copy one another. On the other hand, if it doesn't bother Fender there's no particular reason why it should bother me. But we can't have it both ways.
Either you have inside information or possibly no information whatsoever.
I'm a few days out of touch. Didn't realise the industry had adopted a power measurement standard. Can you point me to that standard?
Forgive me but I am at a loss regarding what you meant with the above statement. Would you care to explain?
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Cool discussion guys. Another question. Has anyone tried the Bugera cabs out? I have read good reviews and bad reviews on the Bugera 4x10 with the turbosound woofers? It just seems logical to pair the bugera head with a bugera cab, but if I save up a little more, I can buy a BBC cab.
I take into fact the same folks who think this is the same as a GB Streamliner think Blurred Lines is the same song as Got To Give It Up. Like I said Uli has admitted to making his products look aesthetically 'similar'. I personally don't really care. There's way more important things to worry about in this universe. Untrained eye? No! Folks see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear despite proven facts right there in front of them. You just can't argue with these folks so this debate will go on forever..............literally!I'm also quite curious as to what should be regarded as too similar, designwise. To my mind, the similarities to the GB are superficial at best. IMHO, the Veyron is much closer to this:
Anyway, since they're both now the same company, that point is somewhat academic. But it also begs the question of whether those who think the Bugera is a ripoff of GB (or even TC) would feel the same about the many Fender copies around - most of them are much more similar to the original than a Veyron is to a GB, in fact, to an untrained eye, they would be practically identical. I can understand that people would be angry about a corporate giant ripping off a small company, but what about boutique builders like Sadowsky who could be said to be ripping off Fender by copying their designs? Now, I'm on the fence on this - in general, I think we would be better off if companies didn't copy one another. On the other hand, if it doesn't bother Fender there's no particular reason why it should bother me. But we can't have it both ways.
Agreed - a lot of perceived similarities are just that - perceived. But it's interesting none the less that the Veyron is criticized in no uncertain terms for a slight resemblance to the GB Streamliner, yet nobody slams the Peavey Fury.
Ok. To echo someone else who asked much the same question, on what are you basing your statement that a Genz-Benz Streamliner is "much better built" than the Bugera the OP was asking about?
Knowing a fair bit about GB's products myself (and admittedly nada about Bugera) I'm curious where they differ build and reliability-wise in your opinion.
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To me, the biggest caveat with this (as well as with so many of the other newer bass amps) is that Class-D power stage. I've been told by the people I know, who do electronic work for a living, that due to the manufacturing technolgies employed, Class-D amps are effectively non-repairable in the field. They break - you buy a new one.
I think Agedhorse would have a different opinion. Someone who actually had a hand in building and servicing a Class D amp.
Put them both side by side. Are they exactly the same?Yeah. I can see how that could very easily happen in a discussion like this one.
Yup. Just like everbody who ever put the controls on the front of an amp, separated the amp itself from the speaker cabinet, covered their products in tweed or tolex, added a reverb tank, or uses a script typeface for their logo is obviously ripping off Fender's "designs." And they're getting away with it too!
Certainly good news there if that's what you're implying. I'd love to hear what he has to say. Because all I've heard from every amp tech I've talked to is how difficult to impossible they are to service. (I'm guessing there's a lot of multi-layer boards or surface mounting of components with these amps?) Not that I'd be surprised if that were so. I work with computers and network equipment for a living, and the time is long gone since their mainboards were still repairable in the field. You can (sometimes) do a very minor repair to one in a pinch if it's just to repair a hardware connection like a switch or a port connection. But successfully replacing a component on a densely packed and/or wave soldered board definitely borders on impossible. That pretty much goes for multilayered boards too in my experience. And I've got a pretty steady hand and a lot of experience when it comes to using a soldering iron.
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If I'm not mis-remembering what Agedhorse has said, the B&O ICEpower modules (which contain the power supply and power amp) used in the Shuttle and Streamliner more or less get swapped out if they go bad, while they can repair individual components on the other boards. This maybe more of a matter of the power amp module coming from a 3rd party rather than class D power amps being somehow inherently unrepairable.
Again, if I'm remembering right the 900W version of the Shuttle/ShuttleMax/Streamliner, GK MB/MB Fusion 800, and the Aguilar TH500 all use the same ICEPower module.
I'm assuming Behringer rolled their own power supply/power amp. I doubt they'd be able to hit their price point if they hadn't.
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