Bugera Veyron Now Available

[kd5uwl]

There [is] more info on the side of a tire ...

Sorry, I have nothing in this .. just following along as an innocent bystander. But I love that quote!

 

[jnewmark]

Would you have it on the floor or on a table then? I'm in between bands currently, but in the last one we played gigs at venues that mostly had no form of stage, so the cab would be level with people's feet.

Rule of thumb, as told to me by Bill Fitzmaurice, is that you can raise a cab up to 24" without losing low end. The reason why people think that they are losing the low end is because the mids are closer to your ears, and you are hearing them better than when the cab was on the floor, blowing at the backs of your knees. I routinely raise my cabs off the floor to hear them better, and I don't hear a loss of low end. However, I play a 4 string, and don't need a massive bottom in my gig situation.

 

[Mr. Foxen]

On the floor, tilted back. Sorts everything.

 

[Guinness20]

Has anybody test one of these to find out the total output?

 

[Mr. Foxen]

Has anybody test one of these to find out the total output?

They have, but no-one has agreed on a single way to rate that.

 

[BurningSkies]

They have, but no-one has agreed on a single way to rate that.

I thought we'd agree that we would translate it into horsepower since our forum's experiment in rating amps in kenematic viscosity didn't fly.

 

[Mr. Foxen]

Note 'They have' is a 'yes', that's where the 2000w figure comes from. If you don't like the figure, you can chose another measurement method to get one more to your liking. but you can't assume it will be to everyone else's liking.

 

[seamonkey]

I am sure Bugera did measure it against other amps. They do freely buy, measure, and study other amps. It only makes sense they actually compare their products against the market competition.

Which makes me sure they didn't just pull the "2000w" out of free air.

There's a lot of disbelief. Even just a few years ago many didn't believe mini amps could ever deliver like they actually do now.

We'll see.

 

[Argassab]

I Was eyeing on the demo unit on Sweetwater. Now it's gone. Is marketing or someone pulled the trigger?

 

[dieseldalziel]

A twitter conversation with Bugera Amps:

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   Gavin Dalziel ‏@dieseldalziel Mar 15
   @BUGERA_AMPS The Veyron bass amps are rated 2000watts,is that peak? If so what is the continuous rating?
   
   
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   [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]BUGERA AMPS ‏@BUGERA_AMPS Mar 16
   @dieseldalziel Dear Gavin, we use peak power ratings for our products as we feel it's a better indicator. 2k W is peak for the VEYRONs!
   
   
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   [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]Gavin Dalziel ‏@dieseldalziel Mar 29
   @BUGERA_AMPS what rated cab would you recommend then?
   
   
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   [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]BUGERA AMPS ‏@BUGERA_AMPS Mar 31
   @dieseldalziel Dear Gavin, our new BT series bass cabs with TURBOSOUND drivers are perfectly suited for the job, with 1600 W peak handling!
   
   
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   [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]Gavin Dalziel ‏@dieseldalziel Mar 31
   @BUGERA_AMPS Of course they are! But If I can only afford the amp upgrade will it work with my cabs or destroy them?
   
   
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   [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]BUGERA AMPS ‏@BUGERA_AMPS 10h10 hours ago
   @dieseldalziel Of course it will work with what you have! Stop increasing volume if you hear your speakers distorting
   
   
   
   So there it is..just turn it down to protect your speakers.

 

[Nikoubis]

So there it is..just turn it down to protect your speakers.

It's almost as if common sense is a good approach.

 

[ebozzz]

My humble 8 ohm Genz Benz 410 is rated at 400 watts RMS. I often use my Peavey Kilobass in bridged mode, 1000 watts RMS at 8 ohms, to power the Benz. Haven't had a problem but I don't really try to go crazy with the volume either....

 

[Brad Johnson]

Rule of thumb, as told to me by Bill Fitzmaurice, is that you can raise a cab up to 24" without losing low end. The reason why people think that they are losing the low end is because the mids are closer to your ears, and you are hearing them better than when the cab was on the floor, blowing at the backs of your knees. I routinely raise my cabs off the floor to hear them better, and I don't hear a loss of low end. However, I play a 4 string, and don't need a massive bottom in my gig situation.

I've noticed a loss in low end just by tilting a cab back. So decoupling is a real thing IME.

 

[Brad Johnson]

While I was out I decided to see if a local store had any of the Veyrons in. By a strange coincidence they had just brought out the first one received as I arrived. They had a Mosfet. Not being a big fan of tubes that was fine by me.

First impression, the amp looks and feels like a high quality piece. It's lightweight, the fan is quiet, the features are useful IMO, nothing to not like so far. I liked the large illuminated Master volume control and the illuminated secondary buttons, very classy looking. The internal LEDs to give a tube like glow didn't bother me, they weren't obnoxious. The variable compressor worked and I doubt I'll ever use it again beyond demoing that it works. It didn't take any tweaking to get a very good output with either bass. I tested it with two non-Bugera cabs that I'm familiar with that open up with more power and this amp drove them easily. I tested it with a passive Brubaker JXB-5 Standard and PRS Gary Grainger 5. Both basses sounded like they sound through a nice rig. It easily got louder than I could need on a gig IMO. So the wattage thing, whatever it is, is not an issue for me. I don't need to know an exact wattage figure anyway, I need to know what the minimum impedance is (and don't really need that other than to know it can handle 4 ohms. That's all I care about) and how well my basses are amplified by it tonally and dynamically and the wattage spec doesn't address either of those.

I thought hard about buying it on the spot, the price is great but the amps I used don't really need to be replaced. Then I thought about the Markbass that tags along as a spare. If I sell that I could get into this as a brand new spare for very little money. So that's probably what I'll do soon.

I don't have any Behringer baggage, reliability was mentioned at the store and the jury's out on that. So far this looks like one of the best deals in amplification out there right now. It seems like it has at least as much power as my Shuttle 9.0 at 4 ohms. And that's enough to get me the headroom I need.

 

[Mr. Foxen]

I've noticed a loss in low end just by tilting a cab back. So decoupling is a real thing IME.

That isn't a loss of low end, that's an increase in midrange. Tilting won't affect low end because it has no direction. Midrange does and is the thing that changes. Scooping mids gives the impression of extra lows to the untrained ear/brain, that's how the ultra lo switch on Ampegs works.

 

[Brad Johnson]

That isn't a loss of low end, that's an increase in midrange. Tilting won't affect low end because it has no direction. Midrange does and is the thing that changes. Scooping mids gives the impression of extra lows to the untrained ear/brain, that's how the ultra lo switch on Ampegs works.

I still disagree. I've heard a difference raising a cab off the floor an inch or two. I don't believe the low end remains the same regardless of placement.

I don't scoop mids so I don't know what that has to do with this.

[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

Not that we need to turn this into a thread about it.

 

[Mr. Foxen]

Your ears being off axis to the speaker reduces mids, hence tilting or raising the cab so you are closer to the polar axis of the speaker means you can hear more mids, thus perceive the sound as less bassy. This is explained in that thing you linked under 'understanding sound dispersion'.

 

[Brad Johnson]

Your ears being off axis to the speaker reduces mids, hence tilting or raising the cab so you are closer to the polar axis of the speaker means you can hear more mids, thus perceive the sound as less bassy. This is explained in that thing you linked under 'understanding sound dispersion'.

My ears weren't off axis with the cab I'm talking about.

I guess what I linked directly to was incorrect. So let's leave this at "you're right" AND "I disagree".

 

[LiquidMidnight]

that's how the ultra lo switch on Ampegs works.

And I hate the ultra low switch on Ampegs. It's pretty hard to make an SVT sound bad, but engaging the low switch is a quick way to do it.

Just IMHO, of course. Don't taze me bros and sises who like that switch.

 

[agedhorse]

Note that coupling due to boundaries is directly related to wavelength (which is directly related to frequency), a couple inches is WAY to the right of the decimal point below even a couple hundred Hz.

IME, the low end is not changing, but the midrange, which is much more directional, can change as the cabinet is tilted back masking what appears to be a reduction in low end with by an increase in midrange.

The math, the engineering and the understanding of boundary principles are well understood and used all the time in the pro audio and installed world. There is also a lot of bad information and perpetuation of urban myths about this on the internet. It's always a good idea to verify that the information you are relying on is accurate and fact based.