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Bugera Veyron Now Available

#202
Brad Johnson said:
On the cab in question the driver was already aimed at me before moving the cab. Would that make a difference?
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Yes. Because dispersion in the mids is generally fairly limited with larger diameter speakers (aka 'beaming'). That 'tilt' even when the cab is aimed at you previously (but just not up to your ears) is enough to align the 'beam' to bring significantly more mid to your ears.
 
#205
If it was already pointed at your ears, then you tilted it in such a way it wasn't, which is basically a weird thing to do, then it would indicate what you think is low end is actually midrange. No unknown for people to confuse what they hear and words to that extent. Its why words aren't very good for expressing how stuff sounds.
 
#206
BurningSkies said:
Always pleasant to have an exchange with you, Brad.
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I know who I can talk to and who I've had issues with. I'm trying to avoid future issues, that's all. I'm tired of the status quo. And I made no attempt to engage you, which I think I politely pointed out. You know our history, why bother? But of course I can't stop you but I don't have to carry on a dialogue you start.
 
#208
Mr. Foxen said:
If it was already pointed at your ears, then you tilted it in such a way it wasn't, which is basically a weird thing to do, then it would indicate what you think is low end is actually midrange. No unknown for people to confuse what they hear and words to that extent. Its why words aren't very good for expressing how stuff sounds.
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It was done as a test. If testing is a weird thing to do, so be it. And now to be told that what I think is low end is actually midrange...? That's the only option? Like I said, you're right and I still disagree. I'm cool with that.
 
#210
Brad Johnson said:
I've noticed a loss in low end just by tilting a cab back. So decoupling is a real thing IME.
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Brad Johnson said:
On the cab in question the driver was already aimed at me before moving the cab. Would that make a difference?
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Tilting a cab back that was already pointed at your ears would indicate you either flipped a cab on its back to point at the ceiling, or were laying on the floor to start with. With your head on the floor you''ll feel more lows from mechanical coupling, and described in the barefaced link, but after you moved the cab, it will be decoupled from the floor mechanically due to being tilted on corners and whatever is propping it, so you'll get less skull vibrating. Also, mostly only useful to test if you assume people will have their head on the floor, or you want to check how badly your cab is made.

If you pointed the cab at the ceiling, odd choice, but yes, the midrange thing.
 
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#211
Mr. Foxen said:
Tilting a cab back that was already pointed at your ears would indicate you either flipped a cab on its back to point at the ceiling, or were laying on the floor to start with. With your head on the floor you''ll feel more lows from mechanical coupling, and described in the barefaced link, but after you moved the cab, it will be decoupled from the floor mechanically due to being tilted on corners and whatever is propping it, so you'll get less skull vibrating. Also, mostly only useful to test if you assume people will have their head on the floor, or you want to check how badly your cab is made.

If you pointed the cab at the ceiling, odd choice, but yes, the midrange thing.
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Again, these are the only scenarios you can imagine? If so, thanks. It explains why you're thinking what you think.
 
#212
The other scenario is that you are changing your story to suit what you decided was the case before all your misconceptions about how sound works were corrected. I'm pretty sure its that one, but I'm posting the stuff about how sound works because that is the thing of benefit to people who actually want to understand how sound works.
 
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Mr. Foxen said:
Tilting a cab back that was already pointed at your ears would indicate you either flipped a cab on its back to point at the ceiling, or were laying on the floor to start with. With your head on the floor you''ll feel more lows from mechanical coupling, and described in the barefaced link, but after you moved the cab, it will be decoupled from the floor mechanically due to being tilted on corners and whatever is propping it, so you'll get less skull vibrating. Also, mostly only useful to test if you assume people will have their head on the floor, or you want to check how badly your cab is made.

If you pointed the cab at the ceiling, odd choice, but yes, the midrange thing.
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I can see some adjustment from 'pointed at ears' to changing that angle in some way, whether it's vertical or horizontal. Any of those adjustments of a few degrees would alter the mid-content that's reaching the ears. It's amazing how moving just a bit off axis in some direction changes what you hear, even when using a smaller coned speaker (like a 4-6"). I also think that our minds definitely like to mis-attribute more mids or treble content as less bass. That Whole Munson curve...and so many players believe that that passive tone control on their basses are not only removing treble but adding bass. Our ears do funny things.
 
#214
I'm not sure I understand how you moved the cabinet.

It's also possible that other boundaries other than the floor are coming into play, which may affect both the low end or the mid/high end depending on where both you and the other boundaries are located.

It's not uncommon for what you hear to be caused by something not as obvious as it seems. This is why I always recommend stepping back to be sure to correctly identify the problem or cause before attempting a solution.
 
#215
agedhorse said:
I'm not sure I understand how you moved the cabinet.

It's also possible that other boundaries other than the floor are coming into play, which may affect both the low end or the mid/high end depending on where both you and the other boundaries are located.

It's not uncommon for what you hear to be caused by something not as obvious as it seems. This is why I always recommend stepping back to be sure to correctly identify the problem or cause before attempting a solution.
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I just did this recently with a cab with an angled baffle designed to address short distance beaming the back of your leg as with most shorter cabs. . It was initially being tested on top of another cab vs. having it sit directly on the floor. Then it was tested on the floor and then tilted up while on the floor. At no point was anyone laying on the floor;). So it went from the mids beaming well over my head to towards my head to slightly above my head. If this is changing my story vs. someone simply assuming what my story was... cool.

Is what was described on the link I posted incorrect about acoustic coupling?
 
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#217
Man, how about this weather?

In other news, unless something weird happens, I'll finally be able to put my new Veyron through its paces in a live gig situation this Saturday.

And what Brad said about watts is pretty much the way I feel about it. My two factors, does it sound good and is it loud enough to play the gigs I play? Those questions will be answered for me on Saturday :)
 
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#220
Justice said:
Man, how about this weather?

In other news, unless something weird happens, I'll finally be able to put my new Veyron through its paces in a live gig situation this Saturday.

And what Brad said about watts is pretty much the way I feel about it. My two factors, does it sound good and is it loud enough to play the gigs I play? Those questions will be answered for me on Saturday :)
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Cool. I know a bunch of people here will be excited to hear a real life review. I happen to like Watts. Give me as much as I can conveniently carry for any 'plan b' scenario.

The weather has been pretty nice this week. First time we've had windows open since October around here. The grass is just starting to get some green to it and the crocuses and snow drops are just finishing up. Trees will be out in another month. :)
 

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