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Bugera Veyron Now Available

#441
Sanchan said:
Thank you so much! I appreciate it! Members of this thread really influenced my decision(should I say...fueled my GAS...lol) to purchase this! I have been playing non-stop since it arrived, haha! I am really loving it so far. Btw, so you use your MXR comp and the built-in comp together?
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I typically only use compression as limiting and not for tone shaping. I have the MXR set to tame the hardest thumps and slaps, but doesn't engage for typical playing. I usually leave the onboard compressor off when using my Veyron. Sometimes I have it turned on, and barely set to engage if it's a set that calls for more slap than usual. Basically just additional driver protection against spikes, pops, etc.
 
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GlassToMouth said:
I typically only use compression as limiting and not for tone shaping. I have the MXR set to tame the hardest thumps and slaps, but doesn't engage for typical playing. I usually leave the onboard compressor off when using my Veyron. Sometimes I have it turned on, and barely set to engage if it's a set that calls for more slap than usual. Basically just additional driver protection against spikes, pops, etc.
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I will need next few days(or weeks..)to figure this one out. I am hoping that this onboard comp is good enough to replace the Diamond(granted, I may still need it for tone shaping too...)! I would really like to play a finger style and slap(not that I get to do a lot...unfortunately..) without spending too much time messing around compressor(s)/amp on the stage.
 
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#443
Sanchan said:
Cool! Thank you! I have a Diamond BCP-1 Compressor but that has only 1:2.6 ratio compression(which is not much...). I am hoping that Veyron's compressor has a higher ratio!?
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Ok, I got a response. It sounds like they don't make that information available. In my initial question I simply asked what the "compression ratio" was for the compressor in the Veyron amps. They responded with this....

In order to better understand what ratio on a compressor is for you will need to research this online. We do not provide support for general audio questions like this.
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I replied and explained to them that I was seeking the ratio that is specific to the Veyron's compressor. Feeling that there may have been some confusion, I also sent the following information. It's from a Joemeek manual. I thought it might explain better than I could...

Compression Ratio: What?? OK, it's simpler than it sounds. If the input gets 10dB louder but the output only increases by 5dB then the compression ratio is "2 to 1". If the input goes up 10dB but the output only goes up 1dB, then the compression ratio is "10 to 1". In a theoretically ideal compressor, this ratio is the same for any size of signal above the threshold but for that to be true, the gain cell and its control circuitry must be perfectly linear over a very wide range. In practice only compressors based on VCAs and digital potentiometers are likely to behave in this way. Some compressors have a control to set the ratio anywhere between 1:1 (ie: no compression), and 20:1 (which would be regarded as a "brick wall limiter"). In the floorQ the "Slope" or "Compression Ratio" is variable from 1:1 (ie: no compression) to 10:1. However that's not all there is to it.

Variable Ratio: In the Joemeek optical compressor the compression 'threshold' is not clearly defined and the compression ratio varies with the amount of compression applied. Suppose the 'SLOPE' control is set half-way (5:1). For signals only just exceeding threshold, the ratio is little more than 1:1. As the compressor is driven harder, the ratio rises to 5:1, at least up to a point. It is a feature of the Joemeek compressor that the compression ratio actually reduces again during large transients and, adjusted correctly, this helps to retain brightness that is often lost with other types of compressor. This is why vintage compressors often sound more lively than their modern counterparts.
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The above resulted in the following response.....

Our compressor option on the BV1001M does not only adjust ratio, that being said there is no information on the exact ratio settings provided as it is not a linear setup. Please use the compressor as intended and apply according to what sounds right to you.
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I'm sure that someone within the Bugera camp knows the answer but how to get to THAT person is the question. The information doesn't appear to be available to their support staff. There have been a few more exchanges but nothing that provided any additional clarification. I may still get something more and if so, I'll post any relevant details.
 
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ebozzz said:
Ok, I got a response. It sounds like they don't make that information available. In my initial question I simply asked what the "compression ratio" was for the compressor in the Veyron amps. They responded with this....



I replied and explained to them that I was seeking the ratio that is specific to the Veyron's compressor. Feeling that there may have been some confusion, I also sent the following information. It's from a Joemeek manual. I thought it might explain better than I could...



The above resulted in the following response.....



I'm sure that someone within the Bugera camp knows the answer but how to get to THAT person is the question. The information doesn't appear to be available to their support staff. There have been a few more exchanges but nothing that provided any additional clarification. I may still get something more and if so, I'll post any relevant details.
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Ebozzz, Thank you so much for your help! I appreciate your(I am sure..rather frustrated one...)correspondence with the company. Is it just me, thinking...there is no way...they don't know the answer to a simple question...weird!? Please let me know if you find out! have a great day!
 
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Sanchan said:
Ebozzz, Thank you so much for your help! I appreciate your(I am sure..rather frustrated one...)correspondence with the company. Is it just me, thinking...there is no way...they don't know the answer to a simple question...weird!? Please let me know if you find out! have a great day!
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I've contacted them several times in the past. Just basic questions now as I haven't had any real problems. This attempt is by far the worst of them and still, compared to responses that I have received from other companies it's not terrible. The person wanted to help. It honestly sounds like their support staff just doesn't have that information. The answer is probably locked up in some engineer's vault.... :roflmao:
 
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Guys, One more question! I am very confused!

My clip light comes on(Flash)even If I tuned down the gain all the way down(I am using a passive input)! I was using both G&L L2000(passive output) and MM Stingray(active output). Is this normal for this amp?? BTW, If I use a reduction pad(-15dB), light does not come on at all even the gain is all the way up! I am very confused.. I did the usual research and read some place in FB that some amp's clip light comes on very often but that's normal!? Your thought? Thank you for your insight!

Edit: I am using a low volume set up, 4 clicks from bottom.
 
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Sanchan said:
Guys, One more question! I am very confused!

My clip light comes on(Flash)even If I tuned down the gain all the way down(I am using a passive input)! I was using both G&L L2000(passive output) and MM Stingray(active output). Is this normal for this amp?? BTW, If I use a reduction pad(-15dB), light does not come on at all even the gain is all the way up! I am very confused.. I did the usual research and read some place in FB that some amp's clip light comes on very often but that's normal!? Your thought? Thank you for your insight!
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This sounds typical of my experience as well. I have 3 basses that are all active/active (EMG) with very hot pups and preamp. They all clip like crazy without the pad engaged. Like yourself, I can practically peg the gain without clipping if the pad is engaged. I tend to have the pad engaged with the gain knob set anywhere between 60-80 percent and it performs perfectly. This certainly puzzled me a bit at first as well, but this gives a fantastic tone to both my cabs and DI signal.
 
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GlassToMouth said:
This sounds typical of my experience as well. I have 3 basses that are all active/active (EMG) with very hot pups and preamp. They all clip like crazy without the pad engaged. Like yourself, I can practically peg the gain without clipping if the pad is engaged. I tend to have the pad engaged with the gain knob set anywhere between 60-80 percent and it performs perfectly. This certainly puzzled me a bit at first as well, but this gives a fantastic tone to both my cabs and DI signal.
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Ok, Thanks! I am glad to hear that! What a relief! For a moment, I thought I already fried my new amp!:laugh: I am gonna copy your setup, I am sure I will love it too!
 
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I copied somebody's idea(I think he had a Lenovo..):D. I got a new amp bag(Laptop bag...Amazon Prime score, lol):thumbsup:! Perfect size for Veyron:laugh:! Finally, I will get to use it for rehearsal tonight!:bassist:
 
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ebozzz said:
Ok, I got a response. It sounds like they don't make that information available. In my initial question I simply asked what the "compression ratio" was for the compressor in the Veyron amps. They responded with this....



I replied and explained to them that I was seeking the ratio that is specific to the Veyron's compressor. Feeling that there may have been some confusion, I also sent the following information. It's from a Joemeek manual. I thought it might explain better than I could...



The above resulted in the following response.....



I'm sure that someone within the Bugera camp knows the answer but how to get to THAT person is the question. The information doesn't appear to be available to their support staff. There have been a few more exchanges but nothing that provided any additional clarification. I may still get something more and if so, I'll post any relevant details.
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What makes you so sure?
 
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ebozzz said:
I've contacted them several times in the past. Just basic questions now as I haven't had any real problems. This attempt is by far the worst of them and still, compared to responses that I have received from other companies it's not terrible. The person wanted to help. It honestly sounds like their support staff just doesn't have that information. The answer is probably locked up in some engineer's vault.... :roflmao:
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It's a single knob. They are probably combining multiple compressor/limiter features into a single knob and they may be doing multi-band compression where bass compresses differently than mid and high frequencies. It may be to much to document and explain over them just to say "Just try different settings"
There's a lot of single knob doing multiple settings going on these days. Check their TC line. Minimum number of knobs, but the knobs that are there do a lot more than yesterday's heads.
 
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