Bergantino IR are excellent. I use them with a few platforms. I wish Aguilar would put some out.
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i use Overloud's SuperCabinet (if that's what you mean by platform).
Anyone have recs for guitar cab IRs? All the advice I find on Google seems to be geared toward metal music. The music I make isn't super heavy. It has rock elements and the guitars will sometimes be dirty and sometimes clean.
I'm using amp sims my various companies and would like the improve the "realism" if possible.
I'm using amp sims my various companies and would like the improve the "realism" if possible.
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contains 2 versions
version 1 (top) and 2 (bottom)
Need to compare more to the Celestion Bergantino NXT112 IR 49 variants contained in the set....
I don't seem to be able to edit my post - hardly 2h later...
just wanted to add, the IR's are 48kHz and 166 ms long.
just wanted to add, the IR's are 48kHz and 166 ms long.
i'm in the same boat. I love the redwirez ev12L IR. It's my main guitar IR. I also like Tyler Spicer's DVMark 1x12 IR for cleans.
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I do like a lot of the celestion IRs for clean, depending on whether you are talking about jazz clean or pop music clean. The celestions typically sound better for pop music though their redback cabs sound good for jazz. The alnico gold and creambacks sound good for both though slanted toward pop music and vintage clean rock tones.
I like the work that DR Bonkers and 3Sigma did with the bass sims I have, so I'd probably try their guitar cab sims if I was in the market for some.
I've done the rounds of bass cab IRs too. My favourites are the Celestion 10" pack and the Redwirez Aguilar DB115 options. Both these sets of IRs give me the most neutral sounding of any offerings which is ultimately what I was after.
I do also like a few of the Shiftline bass cab IRs (the Sunn 215 and Ampeg 810 are both nice).
The Science 215 sounds good (a lot like the Shiftline Sunn 215 actually), albiet lacking some top end if sizzle is your thing. The 610 for my was far too hyped in the lows and low mids.
I haven't tried the Celestion Bergantino offering but they will be my next choice.
I do also like a few of the Shiftline bass cab IRs (the Sunn 215 and Ampeg 810 are both nice).
The Science 215 sounds good (a lot like the Shiftline Sunn 215 actually), albiet lacking some top end if sizzle is your thing. The 610 for my was far too hyped in the lows and low mids.
I haven't tried the Celestion Bergantino offering but they will be my next choice.
Short feedback:
They sound good, but...
They are fairly dark sounding IR's with a fat chewy bottom, as one might have guessed from the graphs I posted.
Of course you may EQ a bit to taste, but they won't become my go-to IR's as I prefer a more balanced tone as a starting point.
One must keep in mind, that mic choice and placement makes a dramatic difference to resulting IR of any sampled cab.
Hence comparisons from cab to cab are basically pointless. All you can say is if you like the result or not.
Different choices might have been more to my taste.
The Celestion Bergantino cabs are simply my reference. Would be cool to get an equally well produced set of IR's for the Mesa Subway series @agedhorse
I chose for the comparison not the NXT112 Playing style version, but the single mic version (FET47) which Tyler Spicer writes he used for the SL112.
But still, as different, as the graphs suggest.
SL112 vs NXT112 variants (FET47)
SL112 v1.0 and v2.0
NXT112 Balanced and Fat
NXT112 Dark and Dark 2
NXT112 Playing Styles Finger Basic and Slap
How much bass content is above 5k anyway unless you are slapping?
With my axefx (fm3) I simply add in another smaller speaker in parallel to cover the high freq content if I need it. IMO, for jazz/fusion, funk, fingerstyle funk ala jaco, tony grey , matt garrison , janek gwizdala the spicer's SL12 is superior to any of the bergantino cabs (I have all of the 12 and 10s). There is something about the way the bergantinos are captured that gives them kind of a middy/thuddy sound for clean jazz and fusion IMO.
Believe me, i've tried. After tony grey recently switched to bergantinos I gave mine a 2nd try and still couldn't get them to sound right.
I don't base my opinion on graphs, I base it off what I hear when I record with them and playback with studio reference monitors. Anyway, we all hear and like different things so obviously this is just my opinion...
Additionally, spicer is going to re-do these captures and use a separate mic on the tweeter to give more high frequency content. You'll get a free upgrade...
With my axefx (fm3) I simply add in another smaller speaker in parallel to cover the high freq content if I need it. IMO, for jazz/fusion, funk, fingerstyle funk ala jaco, tony grey , matt garrison , janek gwizdala the spicer's SL12 is superior to any of the bergantino cabs (I have all of the 12 and 10s). There is something about the way the bergantinos are captured that gives them kind of a middy/thuddy sound for clean jazz and fusion IMO.
Believe me, i've tried. After tony grey recently switched to bergantinos I gave mine a 2nd try and still couldn't get them to sound right.
I don't base my opinion on graphs, I base it off what I hear when I record with them and playback with studio reference monitors. Anyway, we all hear and like different things so obviously this is just my opinion...
Additionally, spicer is going to re-do these captures and use a separate mic on the tweeter to give more high frequency content. You'll get a free upgrade...
Short feedback:
They sound good, but...
They are fairly dark sounding IR's with a fat chewy bottom, as one might have guessed from the graphs I posted.
Of course you may EQ a bit to taste, but they won't become my go-to IR's as I prefer a more balanced tone as a starting point.
One must keep in mind, that mic choice and placement makes a dramatic difference to resulting IR of any sampled cab.
Hence comparisons from cab to cab are basically pointless. All you can say is if you like the result or not.
Different choices might have been more to my taste.
The Celestion Bergantino cabs are simply my reference. Would be cool to get an equally well produced set of IR's for the Mesa Subway series @agedhorse
I chose for the comparison not the NXT112 Playing style version, but the single mic version (FET47) which Tyler Spicer writes he used for the SL112.
But still, as different, as the graphs suggest.
SL112 vs NXT112 variants (FET47)
SL112 v1.0 and v2.0
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NXT112 Balanced and Fat
View attachment 4718611View attachment 4718620
NXT112 Dark and Dark 2
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NXT112 Playing Styles Finger Basic and Slap
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In regards to Mesa bass cab IRs I don't have experience with any Subway specific files, but out of a PM discussion I had with @fivestringgecko I tried the 3Sigma Mesa Powerhouse cab IRs. Initially I wasn't too keen as the output of that bunch of files was lower than everything else I was using so that effected how I was hearing the overall output and tone but I've since gone back to them and they really are quite good and remind me of a Powerhouse 210 I had years ago. Slightly mid scooped but punchy and tight in the low end with clear high mids.
The Shiftline RR215 IR is nice too. I'd love to actually own an old Mess 215 cab.
The Shiftline RR215 IR is nice too. I'd love to actually own an old Mess 215 cab.
Well, one the one hand for a Marcus Miller tone, quite a bit and audibly so.
On the other hand, the Spicer SL112 IR's roll of quite early - the high mids around 1,2k-1,5k are down 6dB to the lower mids 300-600Hr and that mighty bass bump quite a bit higher still.
Yes, agreed, for Jazz and Jazz Fusion I also like a tone profile with polite highs., but I rely more on the mids.
Of course I also don't base my opinion solely on graphs, but in the final essence on the sensation of sound in my ears.
I do find however, that both seem to correlate quite well and it is easier to convey that meaning with a graph in a graphical media (computer screen) than trying to describe it in words which is to quote Zappa like dancing about architecture.
In any case, I like so many IR's for different musical styles, instruments and mood of the day. Also the specific signal chain (instrument-pedals-(amp!)-IR-headphones or audio interface - DAW with plugins) makes a huge difference. Then there is also just different tastes and likes. So all is good.
My collection is quite extensive and I find many quite rewarding. Some IRs I have combined and mixed down into something new.
(Current favs: MM Slap Bergantino NXT210 or 322, Fingerstyle Celestion Pulse 15, Plec Rock Shiftline Mesa RR215 or Searcow Ampeg BT25, Pop/Modern Dr. Bonkers GK RBH 410 or Shiftline EBS PL410...)
That is great, I am looking very much forward to those!
nice list, will check them out along with the Spicer IR.
going through my sims lately, a nice revisit was with some of the Helix patches.
The Agua51 amp/cab is an Aguilar DB750 paired with a 6x10 Mesa - very nice i think
too bad you can't bypass the amp section in Overloud's Mark Studio 2 like you can with the cabs
nice selection of Mark Bass cabs
i was hoping to see these in the SuperCabinet offerings
That's awesome. I'm really disappointed in fractal's poor support for bass in general. Unfortunately, if you mention this in their forum you'll be tarred and feathered. 
Considering making the switch to helix...
Considering making the switch to helix...
That's awesome. I'm really disappointed in fractal's poor support for bass in general. Unfortunately, if you mention this in their forum you'll be tarred and feathered.
Sad but true. For such an innovative company that constantly provides updates to their products, it's always been disheartening to come to the realization that this A-1 customer support doesn't spill over into the bass community but rarely. Still, if the FM9 were in production and available, it would be all I could do to NOT pull the trigger....
Grabbed the Tyler Spicer A Slight 112.
Nice.
Also bought the new Redwirez Bigbox X Bass collection
VERY nice!
I had the old Bigbox complete.
For $9.99, a deal
Nice.
Also bought the new Redwirez Bigbox X Bass collection
VERY nice!
I had the old Bigbox complete.
For $9.99, a deal
I wish the Redwirez guys came out with a modern 410 cab type - GK or Markbass maybe.
And still no Ashdown ABM cab IRs from any of the usual well known developers. Yes I realise Two Notes have a pack for their hardware but the Two Notes hardware doesn't work for me.
On another topic - does anyone in this thread still reading have experience with the Joyo Cab Box? Late last year I (stupidly) sold my Shiftline Cabzone X which had everything I want from a cab IR loader (XLR out, unaffected out, multi IR slots, 9 volt power requirement, adjustable output). I realused again recently I want this unit back for ampless gigs but due to the Shiftline stuff being made\shipped from Ukraine supply has temporarily stopped.
I realise there are a bunch of options for cab IR loaders but not many that have all the requirements I listed above.
In the interim I grabbed a Nux Solid Studio - I kinda does what I want, but it's primarily built for guitar. You can load bass specific IRs but the UI is very clunky, and when using 3rd party IRs you lose the ability to use the different mics, plus you then lose the ability to adjust the output of each IR.
The Joyo Cab Zone was an offering I wasn't aware of until now but looks like it does everything I need (plus has a HP and LP filter option. Anyone using one?
And still no Ashdown ABM cab IRs from any of the usual well known developers. Yes I realise Two Notes have a pack for their hardware but the Two Notes hardware doesn't work for me.
On another topic - does anyone in this thread still reading have experience with the Joyo Cab Box? Late last year I (stupidly) sold my Shiftline Cabzone X which had everything I want from a cab IR loader (XLR out, unaffected out, multi IR slots, 9 volt power requirement, adjustable output). I realused again recently I want this unit back for ampless gigs but due to the Shiftline stuff being made\shipped from Ukraine supply has temporarily stopped.
I realise there are a bunch of options for cab IR loaders but not many that have all the requirements I listed above.
In the interim I grabbed a Nux Solid Studio - I kinda does what I want, but it's primarily built for guitar. You can load bass specific IRs but the UI is very clunky, and when using 3rd party IRs you lose the ability to use the different mics, plus you then lose the ability to adjust the output of each IR.
The Joyo Cab Zone was an offering I wasn't aware of until now but looks like it does everything I need (plus has a HP and LP filter option. Anyone using one?
I JUST demo'd the Two Note Ashdown cab sims using the 'Wall of Sound' VST in Studio One 5.5
they are ok, but I'm steering clear of proprietary IRs at the moment.
I have the FM3. Audio quality is exactly the same as the FM9 and Axefx III. The only diff is CPU speed and memory. So basically, until I have enough blocks or processing that I start running out of CPU or memory, it's exactly the same output as the bigger brothers. The problem is still the same. Without a dedicated solid state bass amp and with such poor support for bass, I cannot completely recommend the platform for bass. I use a Roland JC120 amp model. With tweaks, it's about as close as you can get to a high quality SS jazz/fusion platform like markbass, genzler, genzbenz, eden, aguilar but it's a hassle for tone control because the tone controls don't react like a real bass amp and I end up having to use a graphic eq to adjust the tone...
Sad but true. For such an innovative company that constantly provides updates to their products, it's always been disheartening to come to the realization that this A-1 customer support doesn't spill over into the bass community but rarely. Still, if the FM9 were in production and available, it would be all I could do to NOT pull the trigger....
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