• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join free Log in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

Can You Tell The Difference??? ASH vs. ALDER

WHICH IS ALDER? WHICH IS ASH?

  • 1-A and 2-A are Alder, 1-B and 2-B are Ash.

    Votes: 17 15.7%

  • 1-A and 2-A are Ash, 1-B and 2-B are Alder.

    Votes: 48 44.4%

  • I can hear a difference between the "1" recordings, but not the "2" recordings

    Votes: 16 14.8%

  • I can hear a difference between the "2" recordings, but not the "1" recordings

    Votes: 3 2.8%

  • I can't hear a difference between any of them!

    Votes: 24 22.2%
  • Total voters
    108
#521
Okay, I'm reading page 14 now, and I've still got 12 to go. But I can't resist giving the OP a massive thumbs up for his experiment. It also shows how difficult it is when your "beliefs" are shaken, like when a cheap China made copy you bought for use in bad performing conditions (outdoors, bars) turns out on par with the expensive US made original you had been cherishing for so long. At such moment, one feels the need to think: "There MUST be a reason: maybe it will show in time, when I'll see which one holds its value, and which doesn't." One can also be a victim of bad luck, like the famous "been made on a friday" (over here we say "monday" actually), bad storage conditions, clumsy handling, hidden defects concealed within a piece of wood, metal or even plastic.

This type of experiment also points out that a human being should be capable of getting over such things, and learn from it.
 
#523
johnk_10 said:
that's absolutely fine with me. that is 100% YOUR (IMO, inexperienced) opinion, and i could care less whatever that may be, and feel no need to 'hold your hand' and explain it to you any further. :rollno:
Click to expand...

That's why your "knowledge" about the tonewood effect is not "knowledge" - you can't or won't demonstrate the effect or how you came to "know" the effect is real, effectively evading your responsibility as one who claims to possess knowledge.

Yours is a faith-based position and nothing more.

and by the way, i'm not going to try and tell you (or anyone else) whether you should believe in god or not, or vote republican or democrat either.
Click to expand...

In matters of god and tonewoods, you're guessing just like the rest of us... Sorry to break it to you...

LS
 
#524
unclejane said:
That's why your "knowledge" about the tonewood effect is not "knowledge" - you can't or won't demonstrate the effect or how you came to "know" the effect is real, effectively evading your responsibility as one who claims to possess knowledge.

LS
Click to expand...

once again, ENTIRELY YOUR opinion, of which i have no respect for, or desire to discuss with you.

and talk about 'evading', i noticed that you didn't answer a single one of my questions, so i'm starting to doubt that you even play the bass now, since you have not contributed anything to the subject, other than make an attempt to put my observations in question.
 
#525
johnk_10 said:
once again, ENTIRELY YOUR opinion, of which i have no respect for, or desire to discuss with you.
Click to expand...

Again, reality is not subject to "opinion" - reality is a matter of _facts_, about which there can be little or no dispute.

It's like 2 + 2 = 4. This is a fact of the reality we live in; it holds true regardless of anyone's "opinion" about what the sum of 2 + 2 is.

Same with the TW effect - if it were real, you could point me to your recordings or your basses, show me the difference and you'd shut me right up.

But as it is, all you've presented so far is your faith in the effect and nothing more.

and talk about 'evading', i noticed that you didn't answer a single one of my questions, so i'm starting to doubt that you even play the bass now, since you have not contributed anything to the subject, other than make an attempt to put my observations in question.
Click to expand...

You're the one who hasn't defended his observations - you're the one making the claims, so it's up to you (not me) to back them up.

LS
 
#527
unclejane said:
You're the one who hasn't defended his observations - you're the one making the claims, so it's up to you (not me) to back them up.

LS
Click to expand...

it's not up to me to do anything, other than to use my experience in order to build the best basses that i can.

once again, it is YOU that have contributed absolutely NOTHING to dispute my observations other than to say i haven't posted sound clips to 'prove' it to YOU. what makes you think that your 'opinion' of anything has any validity?

have you ever been to Afganistan, Iraq, Iran, or Luxemborg? and if you haven't, do you believe that all of them exist?
 
#528
mongo2 said:
You have knowledge that the Sun is hot, right?

How do you know the Sun is hot?
Click to expand...

We know the sun is hot because we can measure its temperature, feel its heat, observe the effects of its heat on the climate and so on.

There are objective measures by which we can determine the sun's emission of heat - for the TW effect, OTOH, we don't seem to have anything like this to justify saying we "know" it's real. It's a faith-based proposition only.

LS
 
#529
johnk_10 said:
once again, it is YOU that have contributed absolutely NOTHING to dispute my observations other than to say i haven't posted sound clips to 'prove' it to YOU. what makes you think that your 'opinion' of anything has any validity?
Click to expand...

Again, you're the one making the claim to knowledge about the TW effect, not me. It's up to _you_ to demonstrate the effect and show how you obtained your alleged knowledge about it, not me.

have you ever been to Afganistan, Iraq, Iran, or Luxemborg? and if you haven't, do you believe that all of them exist?
Click to expand...

For those same countries you've not visited, do you doubt they exist? Why or why not?

LS
 
#531
unclejane said:
Again, you're the one making the claim to knowledge about the TW effect, not me. It's up to _you_ to demonstrate the effect and show how you obtained your alleged knowledge about it, not me.



For those same countries you've not visited, do you doubt they exist? Why or why not?

LS
Click to expand...

again. it's not 'up to me' to do anything for you.

and again, you've evaded answering my question by answering it with more questions. please. you just don't have a clue about anything, do you?

do you actually play bass? or do you just like to get into debates about them?
 
#532
This, in spades, is the simple truth. Anyone can choose to believe what he wants, but presenting those beliefs as some sort of objective truth bears a responsability of simple logic that few seem to grasp.



unclejane said:
That's why your "knowledge" about the tonewood effect is not "knowledge" - you can't or won't demonstrate the effect or how you came to "know" the effect is real, effectively evading your responsibility as one who claims to possess knowledge.

Yours is a faith-based position and nothing more.



In matters of god and tonewoods, you're guessing just like the rest of us... Sorry to break it to you...

LS
Click to expand...
 
#533
mongo2 said:
And how do we measure the heat of the sun?
Click to expand...

I assume this is a rhetorical question so I'll respond with one as well: how do we measure the tonewood effect or the existence of god? The difference should be pretty obvious at this point.

The rest you mention is based on experience. Experience is a good teacher. In fact, some say experience is the best teacher.
Click to expand...

But there are different types of experience that are relevant here - what's the difference between, say, the experience of feeling the heat of the sun vs., say, the experience of the TW effect or a magical elf sitting on your shoulder telling you the secrets of the universe? Are they different? If so, how? If not, why not?

LS
 
#534
mongo2 said:
And how do we measure the heat of the sun?

The rest you mention is based on experience. Experience is a good teacher. In fact, some say experience is the best teacher.
Click to expand...

Right again. If I say there's a gnome at the center of the moon eating cheese, it is not up to you to prove me wrong; it's up to me to prove my assertion. Logic 101.
 
#536
unclejane said:
At this point, we're simply repeating ourselves, so probably time to stop. If you've haven't gotten it by now, you probably aren't going to get it.

LS
Click to expand...

right back at 'ya.
you should be proud of yourself. you never anwered a single question of mine. even the ones that had nothing to do with bass guitars. :rollno:
at this point, i don't 'believe' that you know how to play one.
 
#537
unclejane said:
I assume this is a rhetorical question so I'll respond with one as well: how do we measure the tonewood effect or the existence of god? The difference should be pretty obvious at this point.
Click to expand...

I find it easy to tell the tonal differences between basses made of the same or different woods. I learned how through experience. Those who can't either haven't learned how or simply don't have the ability. We all have different talents.
 

Latest posts

Top Bottom
Back