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Chinese Bass!

#42
PBnJBassist said:
Wait... do I see correctly? 4003 copy for only $323? Looks nice, wonder how it plays.

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Place of Origin:
Shandong China (Mainland)
Type:
Electric Guitar
Brand Name:
guita
Model Number:
Jimi Hendrix 1997
Body Material:
wood
Bow Material:
wood
Fingerboard Material:
wood
Back / Side Material:
wood
Electric Guitar:
Solid Body Guitar


Solid specs :hiding:
 
#45
Govier966 said:
Counterfeit or not, Rondo is still stealing sales from fender/squire. Not to put you down but just playing devils advocate. Plus sub 200 dollar rics and rays are appealing!
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Just wow!
There's a big difference between "stealing sales" by offering a competitive product at better value vs posing as the competitors product at better value.
The first is what drives innovation and ultimately brings the best products to the market for us bass players to purchase. The second destroys innovation and ultimately drives legitimate companies out of business resulting in cheap POS products for us bass players to purchase.
If the company that made the fake Fender had any capability to make a quality product they would have made it with their name on it and designed it to be visually recognizable with a proper logo and headstock shape.
This issue is all about ethics, either you have them or you don't. Similar to the pregnant saying, either you are or you aren't, there's nothing in between.
 
#46
Govier966 said:
Counterfeit or not, Rondo is still stealing sales from fender/squire. Not to put you down but just playing devils advocate. Plus sub 200 dollar rics and rays are appealing!
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Wrong, rondo isn't stealing anything...if you are so worried about fender/squier sales, you should be protesting the "classifieds"...that's where fender profits get hit. Why buy new from fender if you can wait for whatever you want to pop up in the classifieds for probably a third the price and in just as good of condition?
All those playing legit fenders have not necessarily done anything for the fender company...just pointing that out ;)
 
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#48
nukes_da_bass said:
There's a huge difference between. Knockoff and a forgery. SX is a knockoff due to SX having that canoe paddle headstock, and a real knockoff brand name instead of a pirated bootleg name.

Also, SX is on par quality wise with top notch squires and IMO blows MIM Fender away!!!
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I wouldn't go quite so far as that. I have an SX P, a MIM P, an Allpart P and used to own a MIJ Squier P and a CV Jazz. The SX neck is a bit rubbery. I took it on a trip because I was nervous about flying with my other basses. I had the neck dialed in before I left, but after the ride it was bowed forward so that the first five or so frets were buzzing a bit. My tools were in my checked suitcase, which the airline had conveniently lost, so I could not back off the truss rod. I was actually able to apply pressure to the neck to take the bow out long enough to play the hour long festival set. My MIM neck is stable and hasn't required an adjustment in two years. The MIJ neck was also stable and the Allparts neck is solid as a rock. The CV neck is why I bought that bass, the electronics are why I sold it.


The pickups in the SX tend to distort when I dig in and the pots and wiring are lilliputian. The MIM has been upgraded to CTS pots and Original '62 pickups, but the originals were not bad. I still like the bass and consider it an excellent bang for the buck, but it does not blow away my other basses.
 
#49
Handyman said:
For a given definition of "legit".

Just keep in mind that buying from these guys is riskier than doing business with Guitar Center. Even if the guy on the other end is holding up his end of the bargain, these things have been known to be seized by customs. These things (especially if they have some other maker's name on them), are illegal to sell in the US, after all.
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Can I quote you? (Looks like I already did).

So - you are implying that GC sells illegal counterfeits?

Or are you saying that the guitars that GC sells are illegal to sell in the US?

Either way - that kinda smacks of something that GC should call you on.

Oh yeah - I'll forward this for you to my buddy at GC in Arizona.
 
#50
I do have a problem with them putting Fender made in USA, and some bogus serial number on it. That's not why I bought the bass. I knew, going in that it was not a real Fender, just like an SX is not, or any other of the hundreds of knockoffs. I would never re-sell it as anything but what it is. By the way, I DO NOT buy bootleg CDs, black market DVDs, fake designer clothing or pay with counterfeit bills, but I do like fake boobies!
 
#52
Check this out!
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then go to EBay and look up "Epiphone Embassy"; you will find the exact photos of the (40+ year old) bass! They are selling it as "new". This has got to be a total scam. I was very interested because this was my first bass in 1968, but I bet he will "sell" a few of them before anyone figures out they've been scammed!
 
#53
Another apparent scam on TradeTang! (They're really not very good at this)
Check out this Rickenbacker 4005 (new!) they have listed:
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then google Rick 4005, and without looking too hard, you will find the same photos (wear area on back is identical!)

So this is the new technique; find a valuable vintage guitar, post it on Chinese E Bay, "sell" several of them before you get caught, then after DH or TradeTang terminates your account, start up a new one in a different name! $300 a pop! No guitar exists.
 
#56
why does everyone pick on the Chinese copies and not the other countries who also do it?

oh, well maybe it is ok then for everyone to buy Korean and Indian copies of whatever take the thing out of the box and toss a Fender Sticker on it because for some reason it MUST say Fender on it so from 20 feet away your audience thinks your cool?

OH how dumb of me, never mind ---- it is perfectly ok to throw a Fender sticker on a Squier and pimp it like it's the real deal as hundreds of TB members do it yearly...forgive my ignorance.

The only thing that makes me mad about some of the Chinese Fakes is that they DO try to palm it off AS the real deal WITH a fake sticker on them. Nothing else about them is so bad that your gonna be disappointed about it.

and Trade-Tang and DHGate are the 2 worst scam sites on the whole internet. As an GOOD example, the Rics in my pictures were NOT bought thru either of those, but WERE from a Chinese seller but if you notice, nowhere does it say RIC/USA or anything else that would make you "think" it was the real thing.
 
#57
That's the way I feel about it. Why in hell would I send my money to someone who's trying to pass their fakes as the real deal. It seems to me a very stupid thing to do to trust a scammer like that, no matter how low the price and how obvious a fake it is.
 
#58
Handyman said:
For a given definition of "legit".

Just keep in mind that buying from these guys is riskier than doing business with Guitar Center. Even if the guy on the other end is holding up his end of the bargain, these things have been known to be seized by customs. These things (especially if they have some other maker's name on them), are illegal to sell in the US, after all.
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Hello Handyman.
Those pictures of rickenfakers that amimbari likes judiciously posting on this forum are ones I posted of basses I bought off Tradetang (frankly the frequency of his posting my photos is starting to trouble me! (amimbari coincidentally is no friend or acquaintance of mine and I am starting to get tired of his implied association with me, my message to bass players and my bass collection). Anyway handyman, in all honesty, I have had a harder time dealing with some American music retailers than I ever had dealing with Chinese guitar sellers. When you buy ANYTHING from overseas, SIGHT UNSEEN, there is ALWAYS A RISK - particularly with guitars, from both legit and illegit sellers. It pays not to listen to all the biased hyperbole going round about dealing with the Chinese guitar makers. Many making comment have little or no experience in the subject. It's mostly based on ill informed people posting BS! People in generally post negative experiences far more frequently than positive ones, it's human nature to want to read bad news unfortunately.
 
#59
Mark 63 said:
Purchasing these instruments is participation in the theft of intellectual property. It's your conscience, but there is more involved here than the risk of getting a crappy bass.
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If that is so then the same applies to an SX instrument and a Sadowski, and a PR Smith, and a Lakland, and all of the other basses that "borrow" elements from Fender / Gibson or other designs.
 

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