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Class D amps sound inferior?

I'm playing a show Saturday where there are three bands .. We go on first. The last band is offering their cabs for us to use. Just bring your own head they said. I have no idea what cabs they are providing but I'm bringing my WD800 and my bass to the gig and not worried one bit what type of cabs will be provided because I'm confided the WD800 will drive any or all of them. I'm hoping it's an Ampeg 4x10 or a twin 4x12 since they are a metal band. I cant wait to blow the roof off. ;)
Be sure you have the right speaker cables for his cabinet in case he got stuck in the dark, “pre-digital” age of 1/4” speaker connectors!
 
Aside from the obvious size/weight savings these new amps offer, I could care less if there was a fusion reactor or a hamster wheel under the hood, much less spend any time worrying over this topography question. All I care about is does it sound right for me, it's just that simple.

And of course, this is one more troll post where the OP is never heard from again. . . . . . .
 
Be sure you have the right speaker cables for his cabinet in case he got stuck in the dark, “pre-digital” age of 1/4” speaker connectors!
I got a 1/4 to speakon and two speakon to speakon cables. I should be good for anything. From one of the bands videos looks like he's running a Hartke LH1000 into a Hartke 4x10 and a 115 cab. I should be able to hit up both those cabs with the Mesa... correct? Or should I just stick to one cab.
 
I have heard that Class D amps have a certain amount of unavoidable distortion, but I sure cannot hear it. Today's Class D amps kick butt.
Rated THD on well designed class D power amps is just about as low as for well designed class AB amps. (<0.01%)
 
Hi JWilson
Not a troll post at all
I agree with your statement of what sounds good to the user
I have a Rumble 800 and love the sound
I just thought that a statement that an 'Amp repair guy' on a youtube video was odd
I had never heard that before
Tube amps reigned supreme for a lot time (Class A/B)
Solid State really made impacts as their technology improved (Class A/B)
Class D has been all the rage now for the past +/- 20 years
When this amp repair guy started saying that Class D was not worth comparing tones due to its design I wanted to know what the users here would say
I think the general consensus is that the Youtuber does not know about Class D amps and made a lot of assumptions

Again Thank You to all that replied
 
I have heard that Class D amps have a certain amount of unavoidable distortion, but I sure cannot hear it. Today's Class D amps kick butt.

Every amplifier topology that isn't Class A has some form of unavoidable intermodulation distortion. The question is "How well does a specific design minimize IMD?"

Class B designs feature IMD from crossover distortion. Class AB solves this by biasing each side of the push-pull output to conduct in the crossover region, essentially turning the amplifier into Class A at low volumes. This creates its own issues, but the industry has had many decades to figure them out.

Class D designs feature IMD from switching transients. The industry has had much less time to figure out how to minimize switching transients at the speeds necessary to not produce IMD from carrier modulation itself...but the efficiency, cost, and weight benefits of Class D are so huge that they've had very strong incentives to get it right!
 
I can't see how class A amps are free from EITHER THD or IMD?

Of course they're not free of THD! I was talking specifically about IMD.

It is my impression that the amount of IMD potentially introduced by crossover distortion in real-world class AB designs, or switching transients in real-world class D designs, far exceeds the amount of IMD potentially introduced by nonlinearities in real-world class A designs...and that this is why some golden-ear types still buy class A amplifiers despite the low efficiency and consequently high power draw. But if I'm talking out my butt, please let me know.
 
Of course they're not free of THD! I was talking specifically about IMD.

It is my impression that the amount of IMD potentially introduced by crossover distortion in real-world class AB designs, or switching transients in real-world class D designs, far exceeds the amount of IMD potentially introduced by nonlinearities in real-world class A designs...and that this is why some golden-ear types still buy class A amplifiers despite the low efficiency and consequently high power draw. But if I'm talking out my butt, please let me know.

IMD is just another distortion mechanism that's common to all amplifiers regardless of class.

Attributing the real mechanism of IMD as the reason "golden ears" buy class A amplifiers simply ignores the aphrodisiac factor that is probably a more likely cause (assuming they don't have a dominating cork fetish).
 
@agedhorse : I was using terms incorrectly.

The standard explanation of clipping is that it generates harmonic distortion, odd vs. even depending on the symmetry. Similarly, the standard explanation is that more complex nonlinearities, like switching transients in class D amplifiers, generate intermodulation distortion.

Unfortunately, "clipping generates harmonic distortion, not intermodulation distortion" is only true for a single frequency. Once you add multiple frequencies to the signal, you can lose enough information via clipping to generate intermodulation distortion. This is the part I was missing. (Which I should know from emulating fuzz and distortion circuits as well as playing through them! It's why "power chords" exist: with heavy clipping, thirds can generate all sorts of ugly intermodulation. This is also the part where I facepalm.)

To return to my original point, which I hope I can make clear: all amplifier designs can be forced into clipping. However, when @Old Fart said "I have heard that Class D amps have a certain amount of unavoidable distortion," I was reasonably sure he's talking about the type unique to Class D and its derivatives: the intermodulation distortion inherent in modulating an audio signal with the high-frequency carrier wave necessary to produce the PWM, and the switching transients inherent in real-world non-ideal semiconductors.

Is this unavoidable? Yes. Can it be minimized into practical inaudibility? Also yes, as agedhorse pointed out.
Do class AB designs also have "unavoidable distortion" that good design can minimize into practical inaudibility? Yes, which was the point I was trying to make.
 
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What level of distortion is audible? I think 5% was once discussed on these forums.
I think much of the above discussion is akin to spitting in the ocean. It makes a difference that might be measured but never realized.
 
Is it possible that he meant to say crossover distortion? I always thought that was one of the few upsides to the incredible inefficiency of class A operation.

I didn't just mean to say "crossover distortion"...I said it twice :D And yes, lack of crossover distortion is the primary reason for class A amplifier topologies. (Whether that's relevant or audible under real-world conditions, given a well-designed class AB amplifier, isn't a proposition I'm going to defend.)

I don't think he knows with whom he Speaketh.

I know exactly, and I learn a great deal from him: both by reading what he shares here, and by him calling me out when I use a technical term incorrectly or misunderstand a technical concept. One of the best ways to figure out if you really understand something is to try and explain it to someone else...especially in the presence of an expert in the field!
 
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Is it possible that he meant to say crossover distortion? I always thought that was one of the few upsides to the incredible inefficiency of class A operation.

Possible, if there really is crossover distortion, that's not very musical at all. It's easy to design away though. Class A eliminates the crossover distortion but can introduce other types of distortion depending on the circuit itself.

What level of distortion is audible? I think 5% was once discussed on these forums.
I think much of the above discussion is akin to spitting in the ocean. It makes a difference that might be measured but never realized.
IME, it depends very much on the harmonic distribution. On the average, 5% is a reasonable threshold of audibility for the average player and good listening conditions. Many players can't hear 10% under average conditions though.
 
and that this is why some golden-ear types still buy class A amplifiers despite the low efficiency and consequently high power draw. But if I'm talking out my butt, please let me know.
No, the golden ear types buy them because their cult leaders tell them they are superior, and to be a cult member in good standing, you must have one.