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Class D "digital" amps. Opinions on performance

#121
seamonkey said:
Fingers or "Digits" can count base 12
Face your palm at you, use your thumb to point at each joint on your fingers.
Each finger has 3 joints. 3 x 4 = 12
12 is a dozen
12 inches to a foot
12 * 12 = 144 is a gross
12 hours on a clock face
The Moon goes round the Earth 12 times a year - 12 months
12 is in unison with the Universe.
We should not be going "digital", We should be going "Base 12"

Are there any Duodecimal amplifiers?
Are Duodecimal amps good for metal?
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:D:D

Much as we might disagree sometimes man, that is great stuff....LOL'ing over here.
 
#122
bryanspkr said:
One point here. I'm sure most people playing gigs don't have to bring a big rig to fill a large house. In those cases, most of the time there is a rig there and/or a house system (usually with an already deaf soundman). Even the small bass systems are getting too powerful for our ears to handle, especially fullrange systems.
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+2 I always bring my own rig, since it's lighter and sounds better on stage. You're absolutely correct in your assessment of most current bass amps being two powerful for our ears. My ears ring as proof to this, fortunately my tinnitus isn't really loud



bryanspkr said:
The emphasis should be on intelligibility on stage for the musicians first. The musicians, not only the player have to find it satisfying. Often what many of the audience in the room hear has little to do with the "Ideal sound" one has created for himself. They hear a much different frequency response whether listening to the stage sound or house sound. Too much emphasis on volume (and wattage) too. I don't think there is a "one size fits all" either. APPLICATION APPLICATION APPLICATION.
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True, unfortunately, an amplifier with great intelligibility costs a great deal more than others. I would use Tech Amp as an example of this and of course my Walter Woods amps. I quit worrying about what the bass sounds like in the house a long time ago, since it's out of my control, for the most part.

Ric
 
#123
Ric Vice said:
+2 I always bring my own rig, since it's lighter and sounds better on stage. You're absolutely correct in your assessment of most current bass amps being two powerful for our ears. My ears ring as proof to this, fortunately my tinnitus isn't really loud





True, unfortunately, an amplifier with great intelligibility costs a great deal more than others. I would use Tech Amp as an example of this and of course my Walter Woods amps. I quit worrying about what the bass sounds like in the house a long time ago, since it's out of my control, for the most part.

Ric
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Agreed on most things except that cost is the deciding factor in what works for every situation. Though It may cost more to have different speakers for each kind of setup, bass, room or instrument.

Just one example. A 15 is a longer and narrower throw at higher frequencies than a cab with one or more 8's. In a tight situation the drummer may miss all the frequencies that give the articulation in your sound.
 
#124
bryanspkr said:
Agreed on most things except that cost is the deciding factor in what works for every situation. Though It may cost more to have different speakers for each kind of setup, bass, room or instrument.

Just one example. A 15 is a longer and narrower throw at higher frequencies than a cab with one or more 8's. In a tight situation the drummer may miss all the frequencies that give the articulation in your sound.
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Duke LeJune totally solved this for me. His cabinet has such great of axis response that all the players on the stage can hear me. The TC 112 is efficient and can get really loud. Duke now has a TC 115 that is even more powerful.


Ric
 
#125
Ric Vice said:
Duke LeJune totally solved this for me. His cabinet has such great of axis response that all the players on the stage can hear me. The TC 112 is efficient and can get really loud. Duke now has a TC 115 that is even more powerful.


Ric

Ric
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Solved if the high frequency driver is operating with a wide dispersion, and covers the frequecies you need. From what you say, I'm sure it does. I'm curious about it. A private guy or a brand under his own name?..
 
#128
Ric Vice said:
Duke LeJune totally solved this for me. His cabinet has such great of axis response that all the players on the stage can hear me. The TC 112 is efficient and can get really loud. Duke now has a TC 115 that is even more powerful.


Ric
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This problem has been 'solved' by a number of the new wave of super-12 and super-15 cabs. fEARful, AudioKinesis, Barefaced...
 
#130
Ric Vice said:
Duke built's them himself, he also builds the crossover which he designed. You can contact him by email.


Ric
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Thanks Ric. It would be interesting to talk to him. I'm building my own stuff for myself. When someone pesters me enough I do a build for them.

I think I can see only one idiot proof tip with his cab, but maybe he mentions this in his manual. Just to know that in the open port mode, not to push it against the back wall at least a distance of less than double a port diameter. Though you actually could lower the tuning at the right distance.
 
#131
bryanspkr said:
Just checked it out. A man after my own heart. Must be an upright player too. No upper bass hump. Critically damped with the ports closed if you want a perfect transient and to mirror low frequency room gain, low crossover...... Just great. I recommend it sight unseen.
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Thank you, Bryan! But... I'm not even a musician, much less an upright player.
 
#133
Ha, Peavey always seems to be one step ahead
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#137
i r a fan of the genz benz shuttle 6

I just got fed up with having to card around 100lbs of gear. Besides I am a bass player without golden ears. I always get compliments on my tone with my LEJ and my shuttle. I even got the army to buy me a shuttle when I was in the iraq;)
 

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