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Club Alleva-Coppolo (Part 13)

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foderaman said:
Not to drag another manufacture into this but a few years back I had a Sadowsky NYC that was supposed to be Shoreline Gold and came to find out it was actually Frost Gold which looks like the most recent pics of the AC,s on here.The original Shoreline gold does have some Silverish tint to it.The Roscoe Beck Fenders are the more truer Shoreline Gold to the original Fenders.I think Roger still has Shoreline Gold but believe it still is the Frost Gold?Although I may be wrong!
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Yeah, the different companies have different names for these colors. Fender's shoreline gold has a silverish tint like you mentioned:

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With Sadowsky, he has both frost and shoreline, and I can't tell the difference between them. Both look kinda like the A-C harvest gold, but a little darker.

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#642
vision said:
+1...that's part of why I stole the idea from Vic. :p I was thinking about natural with the blocks and binding, but not only has Jimmy done that before but TONS of basses are out there with that as kinda the "default" 70's jazz look. I figure the 3TS will have a complete vintage vibe while still being a bit different.
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I'm really diggin the burst with black pg look...it'd be even more period correct to boot. I've never seen an AC in that combo. I've got a tobacco burst/black pg 70's J-style bass being finished right now. You can find pics in a certain other club thread.
 
#644
I will throw my hat in the ring with the golden theme.

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#645
Dave Hill said:
I'm really diggin the burst with black pg look...it'd be even more period correct to boot. I've never seen an AC in that combo. I've got a tobacco burst/black pg 70's J-style bass being finished right now. You can find pics in a certain other club thread.
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Yep, black would be more period correct...I may end up ordering a second pg at some point...
 
#648
vision said:
Wow that bass just looks STUNNING! And just like I thought, the website pics look completely different. That looks the same as Ken's Harvest Gold.
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Yeah guys I again concur the very bad pics that I had sent Gil do indeed look very much like Ken's Harvest Gold.

And no Gil, I don't mind that you posted the pics and just ruined a fledgeling photo journalist career I was about to undertake to fund more AC purchases..LOL..:D

No seriously ...no problem.. they are not the best pics cuz at dusk-twilight this bass turns into an nocturnal vixen of unparalled beauty...ha ha..as I'm sure Ken's lady does too--as they likely could indeed be the same colour.

Perhaps , just perhaps when Jimmy mentioned it, or it is on the site MUSTARD ( I don't see that word MUSTARD per se ) he was using that term to describe the hue, NOT necessarily naming it ??? :hmm:

ok ok I am off to practice
 
#654
I hadn't played my LG5 for a while as I've kinda been on a tear with a new MV5...but I took it to work alst night for a blues jam we host for the MO Blues Assoc pretty regularly.

Man, I still, *totally love* my LG5. Totally!
Big, fat, clean organic, and it just melts in my hands like buttah.
Awesome.
 
#655
In support of your statement, my instructor has a makeshift 5 string built from parts. It has a Yamaha neck, not sure where the body is from, pieced together with random electronics and usually has dead strings because he plays so much. He is the most unbelievable player with a focus in the R&B genres. I've seen him play gigs with a borrowed Behringer amp and he sounded amazing. He laughs when I tell him how much my Alleva Coppolo and Sadowsky cost. His bass cost him $800 total and it's his main ax. With all due respect to all here and Jimmy and all the other builders, a bass does not make you play better necessarily. It may inspire you to play more, but you're not going to be a better player. With that said, I would still buy another AC without question, but that's my own decision.

Go ahead and flame me, but you all know deep down that this is true.

narud said:
i guess theres just a certain part of the high end thing i dont really like. there was a guy talking about an mtd and how it made him play so much better. i dont buy it. and since mtd's hurt my hand, there must be something wrong with my technique because mtds are crafted with the highest ergonomics..:rolleyes:

obviously if theres playability issues, that can hold you back from "what you hear in your head" but excellent playability can be had with a 50 dollar sams club special with a trip to your local repairman. you may find that the tone sucks, but if you really are a creative type, should tone really prevent you from creating inspired music? i get into this stuff with guitar players. lets make the band secondary so you can get "your tone";)

these posts like " my whositswhatsit bass absolutely killed all my other "insert uber expensive bass here" are kind of silly.
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#656
Before leaving the shop last night I spent some time with an LG5 Classic that's on it's way to Jimmy's Japanese dealer Hajime/Sleek Elite... I almost couldn't put it down! If it wasn't for the fact that Jimmy and I were tired and wanted close up the shop, I'd still be there this morning.

I don't feel so bad for saying this now because I'm getting one... But I believe that I've "connected" with more LG5's than I have LM5's. Maybe it's because I've played more LG5's or something but still. I've liked pretty much all A-C's I've played, but I'm talking "connected" here... So on an even ratio I think the LG's have an edge.

I chose an LM5 pretty much without too much thinking because I've always preferred Ash, but man these LG's! :eek: :rollno:

I guess this is a non-issue since I will get both in a few months time but wanted to share anyway.
 
#657
I respectfully disagree, mostly.
A really killin' bass-no matter what it's pricepoint-does make me a better player, because if I love it's ergonomics and tone, I can concentrate much more on what I want to do, instead of what I need to do to make a crummy axe do to play and sound well. I can "let the music fall out, " versus having to beat it out.

This does not mean you can't massage a $500 axe into that level, so, I do agree with you on that particular issue. However, in some cases, "you do get what you pay for, and it is worth it."

Lastly, I have had uber-pricey axes that did absolutely nothing for me, and $500 axes I really loved. All that, for me, is pretty personal.


Lichtaffen said:
In support of your statement, my instructor has a makeshift 5 string built from parts. It has a Yamaha neck, not sure where the body is from, pieced together with random electronics and usually has dead strings because he plays so much. He is the most unbelievable player with a focus in the R&B genres. I've seen him play gigs with a borrowed Behringer amp and he sounded amazing. He laughs when I tell him how much my Alleva Coppolo and Sadowsky cost. His bass cost him $800 total and it's his main ax. With all due respect to all here and Jimmy and all the other builders, a bass does not make you play better necessarily. It may inspire you to play more, but you're not going to be a better player. With that said, I would still buy another AC without question, but that's my own decision.

Go ahead and flame me, but you all know deep down that this is true.
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#658
Chef said:
I respectfully disagree, mostly.
A really killin' bass-no matter what it's pricepoint-does make me a better player, because if I love it's ergonomics and tone, I can concentrate much more on what I want to do, instead of what I need to do to make a crummy axe do to play and sound well. I can "let the music fall out, " versus having to beat it out.
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I think the two of you actually agree based on what you said - the most important things are that you love a bass's ergonomics and tone, no matter what the price point is. You can find ergonomics and tone that you love in a cheapie bass just like you can find them in an expensive one.

Case in point - since I ordered my A-C back last October I've been playing a MIM Fender Jazz V that I bought for $200 as not only my main bass, but my ONLY bass. I had a really nice Ken Smith that I sold and sent that money straight to Jimmy for my LM5, so I bought the Fender as a stopgap to get me through while waiting on the A-C. I've ended up LOVING that Fender - the tone is absolutely killer and it plays as nice as some VERY expensive basses I've owned in the past. It doesn't matter how much I paid for it, I love it's ergonomics and tone so it's a keeper.

That being said, I really appreciate the extra things that you can get in a boutique handmade bass (expert craftmanship, all the vintage mojo, etc.) which is why I'm getting the LM5. But since I expect the tone and ergonomics to be pretty similar between the two basses, I know the LM5 isn't gonna make me a better player or anything like that.
 
#659
That's a really good point, Jason. And yes, I think Chef and I do agree. Without question, I absolutely love my KBP4 more than any other P bass I've played/owned. The craftsmanship is impeccable and it sounds much much better than any other P I've heard. It hasn't made me a better player, I just play more now because I love having it in my hands and I'm proud to be part of the Alleva Coppolo famiglia. I guess my point is that it cracks me up how nit picky these conversations have become about these basses. We should be thankful to even be playing such nice instruments. 40 years ago our options were slim and there were no boutique instruments to speak of. It just seems like we now have TOO MANY choices.

I think what really got me were all those posts about the CNC machine and the criticism of it. I worked in a prototype shop not too long ago which had an incredible CNC machine and I can tell you that Jimmy clearly made the right decision. Once he gets that thing really going it's going to cut his production time down by at least half, if not more. But to have people criticize the integrity of the instruments based on the use of a machine as opposed to his hands is ridiculous. At least he's keeping it all in house.
 
#660
The CNC will not do the finish work.
It will just replace many man hours in going from a body blank to a roughed body that will still be finished by hand.
At least from what Jimmy told me when we talked about it...
 
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