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Club Alleva Coppolo (Part 7)

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KJung said:
This clip has been floating around for a while, but here it is again.

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The LM (first part of the clip) is a pretty accurate representation of what I hear playing live with that bass. Per the above post, I've 'softened and growled up' the LG a bit currently by replacing the Hi Beams with Lo Rider Nickels. So, that bass sounds a bit different now than what you hear in the second part of the clip.

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Floating around for good reason too; it is very helpful!
 
#702
thehurlatron said:
I had a Sadowsky MV5 with VTC. I sold it after about 3 months. It was SO BRIGHT that I couldn't stand it. Even with the VTC rolled off quite a bit, it still had a super bright sound, kinda clanky.

I guess, how "smooth" does the maple fb AC sound?
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Hmmmm..... there may be an AC in your future. ;) I had a Sadowsky NYC for about 10 years. Nice bass, ash body and rosewood board, but a little clanky for slapping to my ears. I think you will find the Alleva Coppolo to have the smoother sound that you are looking for.

My RA5 has an alder board and maple neck, and covers a lot of tonal ground. If you are a hard core 70's guy, you might prefer the LM5, but I find the RA5 to be a little more versatile.
 
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Mustard? That isn't a metallic gold of some kind?

Anyway

Here's a pic of a black one
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#714
KJung said:
The AC LM models sound pretty close (to my ear) to a mid to late 70's passive Fender J Bass. The Sadowsky ash/maples, even with single coils, sound MUCH brighter, aggressive and 'active'. Very different IMO.

The AC models are among the most 'Fendery' sounding of boutique J's. The Sadowsky models are among the least 'Fendery' to my ear.

My AC LG is also much darker, warmer and more subtle sounding than the alder/RW Sadowsky I had... so the differences carry over to both models (alder/RW 60's and ash/maple 70's).

That being said, that ash/maple 70's type J tone is still quite upper mid present and aggressive, but the AC does it in a much more grindy, organic way like the older Fenders, versus the 'zing and sizzle' of the Sadowsky model.

Using the VTC type control on both the ash/maple Sadowsky and Alleva, I feel I can get them to sound pretty darn close to the alder/RW models (although, again, not to each other... the AC's sound totally different from the Sadowsky basses). However, I don't have any luck going the other way. You can soften that aggressive upper mid and treble response of an ash/maple J with a VTC pretty nicely, but there's no way to dial it in (IME) to a more 60's spec'd instrument.

IMO and IME!

Edit: I have that clip up of the LG and LM through a relatively transparent amp posted earlier in this thread, so you can hear the general tone and difference between the two pretty well (although they both had relatively new SS roundwounds, so they are both quite bright. I have nickels on my LG now, and it purrs!).
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Yes and no. Both instruments to me sound signature. But I would not say the sadowsky sound the Least fendery while the Alleva's sound (LM model)like the mid to late fenders. My AC I feel can go a little deeper than that. Meaning it brings a little more to the table. I feel my ACLM-5 is getting better and I think its because its getting broken in and my technique is changing to get the sound I am hearing in my head. Can I get a mid 70's sound yes, in character. But it can get a bit of a 60's vibe when I want. On the fenders itself the PU's where somewhat different ( 60's and the 70's). I don't think (I could be wrong. Not totally sure since he moved out of NY:crying:) that the PU's on the allevas are different. Both are hand wound similar to the 60's (70's were not). It also gives it the character differences to each PU made. But it will sound somewhat similar as Jimmy is trying to get that fender sound. But I can't lessen the Sadowsky. Roger makes a fine bass and he came about at a time when players played nothing but 50's, 60's and 70's fender basses. He was repairing them on a daily basis. He was working with players that needed something more, but the same. Out of that came the Sadowsky Bass. I would not say its the least sounding fender but something additional to a fender. I mean Marcus Millers 77 fender is no longer like the 77 basses I played. Ok its not a Sadowsky, but he had his hands all over it. I would also like a moment of silience for the guy (or girl) who created the PJ...........:eyebrow:................ Jimmy on the other hand is trying to recreate the fender in its original state. Which is so cool. Its like Roger and Jimmy are at different levels but in many ways the same.
 
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Bassist30 said:
Yes and no. Both instruments to me sound signature. But I would not say the sadowsky sound the Least fendery while the Alleva's sound (LM model)like the mid to late fenders. My AC I feel can go a little deeper than that. Meaning it brings a little more to the table. I feel my ACLM-5 is getting better and I think its because its getting broken in and my technique is changing to get the sound I am hearing in my head. Can I get a mid 70's sound yes, in character. But it can get a bit of a 60's vibe when I want. On the fenders itself the PU's where somewhat different ( 60's and the 70's). I don't think (I could be wrong. Not totally sure since he moved out of NY:crying:) that the PU's on the allevas are different. Both are hand wound similar to the 60's (70's were not). It also gives it the character differences to each PU made. But it will sound somewhat similar as Jimmy is trying to get that fender sound. But I can't lessen the Sadowsky. Roger makes a fine bass and he came about at a time when players played nothing but 50's, 60's and 70's fender basses. He was repairing them on a daily basis. He was working with players that needed something more, but the same. Out of that came the Sadowsky Bass. I would not say its the least sounding fender but something additional to a fender. I mean Marcus Millers 77 fender is no longer like the 77 basses I played. Ok its not a Sadowsky, but he had his hands all over it. I would also like a moment of silience for the guy (or girl) who created the PJ...........:eyebrow:................ Jimmy on the other hand is trying to recreate the fender in its original state. Which is so cool. Its like Roger and Jimmy are at different levels but in many ways the same.
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+1 I believe we are basically saying the same thing.
 
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Bassist30 said:
On the fenders itself the PU's where somewhat different ( 60's and the 70's). I don't think that the PU's on the allevas are different. Both are hand wound similar to the 60's (70's were not). It also gives it the character differences to each PU made.
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My understanding is his pickups are not hand wound. He uses a machine. In other words, his pickups are made in-house, but not wound by hand. The point being, I think his pickups are extremely consistent from bass to bass.
 
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