FWIW, unless I misread the list, only one is listed as Brazilian.I don't know but is Looks like more than just one species ....
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If that's the case, what in the world are these guys spending a $1,500 upcharge for?
Hey, you know what I think about this. Every piece of wood is different. Some pieces of RW are oily and have that 'give' to them. Other pieces (regardless of type), feel rock hard and are closer to ebony than what most would consider RW. It's quite frankly, all a crapshoot.
The RW I had on my Nordy (which was supposedly real Brazilian) more matched the description in that post above, and also the way 'good' Brazilian RW was described... oily feeling, woody, and with some give in the feel. My Indian doesn't really feel like that, and that fits me a bit better (since I'm a maple guy and usually don't get into this 'sub species' noodling
).I luckily love maple boards over all others, and they actually all do sound and look pretty much the same
.. and no upcharge
Seriously, my strong recommendation to anyone considering an Alleva LG and wincing a little bit at the cost... order the Indian RW and be happy
Then is it true that the rosewood fingerboard on my 1960 Fender Precision is for sure Dalbergia Negra?
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Slow down there T we are just having a discussion here no need to get all worked up......
I am not worked up at all...just trying to emphasize the difference is in the NAME of the wood AND the wood itself.
Peace,
T
Correct, but none is called brazilian rosewood! They are called, as you said, Kingwood, Tulipwood, Jacaranda do Para...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalbergia
Just to the above, Jacaranda do Para is VERY similar to brazilian rosewood. Difficult to tell one from the other.
I don't think it really matters too much because people that actually use "real" brazilian rosewood still just call it brazilian rosewood. For example, among acoustic builders, Olson and Applegate use old growth brazilian rw, but they never refer to it as dalbergia negra (nigra). It's just the scientific name for it so I don't think it's that big of a deal. To me it almost seems like an argument about whether to call water "water" or "h2o".
All I know is, the builders that do seem to have actual old growth brazilian, tend to have them available at very high option prices. Applegates brazilian back and sides option ranges from $2000 - $5000 depending on figuring and age, granted you're also paying for their (the builders) craftsmanship as well.
And as Coelho said, those other Dalergia species woods out of brazil are referred to with different names.
All I know is, the builders that do seem to have actual old growth brazilian, tend to have them available at very high option prices. Applegates brazilian back and sides option ranges from $2000 - $5000 depending on figuring and age, granted you're also paying for their (the builders) craftsmanship as well.
And as Coelho said, those other Dalergia species woods out of brazil are referred to with different names.
You are correct...It should not be a big issue at all...The problem is most people do not understand that Dalbergia Negra is just the species name for Brazillian Rosewood. The other issue is that unfortunately many of the same people assume when they see Lakland referring to the darker fingerboard as "Rosewood" a lot of them make the incorrect assumption that it is all the same. Sadowsky is using Rosewood but they are not using Old Growth Old Cut Dalbergia...There IS a huge difference. I have gotten numerous PMs from people suggesting that if they could a "Rosewood board" from Warmoth for a $100 upcharge surely Jimmy has ripped me off by charging $1500...That is simply NOT the case. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME WOOD!!!! That is the point here....Most educated builders don't feel the need to differentiate because they would suppose the buyer SHOULD know the difference and therefore know what they are getting for that price. VERY few respectable builders would try and pass off stump wood as old growth old cut Dalbergia and charge the premium for it. Unfortunately I am sure that may not be case everywhere. I would be willing to bet that Someone like Roger Sadowsky or Carey N or Jimmy would be able to tell the difference just from seeing, touching it and smelling it. Frankly I can tell the difference from playing it....If you blindfolded me and handed me 10 Instruments I bet I could tell you which one is old Dalbergia...In fact I would bet ANYBODY $1,000.00 that I could. I HOPE somebody takes me up on it....
Peace,
T
This is the board on my '59 P:
This is the board that Jimmy is using:
If you ran the AC neck through the mud and hung it up to dry, they'd look pretty darn close.
This is the board that Jimmy is using:
If you ran the AC neck through the mud and hung it up to dry, they'd look pretty darn close.
This has been entertaining
So what you are saying is that DN is a bit like graphite?
How so? Who said that?
Peace,
T
This is the board on my '59 P:
This is the board that Jimmy is using:
If you ran the AC neck through the mud and hung it up to dry, they'd look pretty darn close.
99.9% Sure that is DN...Period correct and looks like DN...
Peace,
T
C'mon, gimme a break...
Take the bet...Take me up on it and prove me wrong... I am dead serious about this. I guarantee you I can feel feel the difference...Throw in my ears and my nose and I GUARANTEE you I can pick the DN every time...NOTHING else feels or smells like it. Ask your favorite builder and see what they say.
Edit - Are you saying that you can't and therefore I can't either? Have you ever handled a lot of different woods? My family has owned a Retail Music business since the 1920s and I have been doing repairs on guitars, mandolins, basses, and other stuff for over 30 years. Do you feel the same way about one of the builders mentioned. I would bet money that any of those guys could tell the difference as well....
Peace,
T
Man, everytime I open this thread, all you dudes are talkin about is damn Rosewood.
Hey Ken, how about you just bomb the thread with some huge pictures and more clips of your beautiful Seafoam LG, that'll sway the conversation!
Hey Ken, how about you just bomb the thread with some huge pictures and more clips of your beautiful Seafoam LG, that'll sway the conversation!
And going back to A-C's, if I had the dough and if/when the time comes to get myself one, if it means ordering one, I would want to get the Brazilian, but I don't see that happening for me any time soon and maybe ever... sadly.
Realistically, I'll probably try grabbing an A-C used off of talkbass once I have a collection of $100 bills since at this point, I don't want to part with my Roscoe or the MTD I got off of "Ace of Bass".
The Brazilian would def be nice; never played a bass with one but have tried acoustic guitars with old growth brazilian, I can say that it DEFINITEly makes a difference not just visually but sonically as wel, but it's just like having extra chocolate or icing on top of an already stacked cake ahah.
So hopefully I'll run into an A-C with Indian RW or Honduran RW in a year or so.
Realistically, I'll probably try grabbing an A-C used off of talkbass once I have a collection of $100 bills since at this point, I don't want to part with my Roscoe or the MTD I got off of "Ace of Bass".
The Brazilian would def be nice; never played a bass with one but have tried acoustic guitars with old growth brazilian, I can say that it DEFINITEly makes a difference not just visually but sonically as wel, but it's just like having extra chocolate or icing on top of an already stacked cake ahah.
So hopefully I'll run into an A-C with Indian RW or Honduran RW in a year or so.
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