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Club Alleva Coppolo (Part V)

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Interesting! To what degree this one factor has to the overall tone and feel is so hard to quantify considering the variations in the body and neck but very interesting none the less.

Jimmy certainly makes a wonderful bass there is no question about that!

BTW - I am back to Hi beams after my second bout with nickels.
 
#842
If i remember correctly, my kbp4 has an African RW...also IIRC there were only a few with African.. im sure Jasons LG has African my P4, JT from Duran Duran and maybe 2 or 3 others..
My kbp5 has a new DN board on it..
It (the African RW) feels similar to the DN.. but is more reddish with streaks of chocolate..
The African is brighter than Indian.. but feels similar to the DN... I dont have experience with the Honduran except it looks incredible in the ones that i have seen..
 
#843
svtb15 said:
If i remember correctly, my kbp4 has an African RW...also IIRC there were only a few with African.. im sure Jasons LG has African my P4 and maybe 2 or 3 others..
My kbp5 has a new DN board on it..
It (the African RW) feels similar to the DN.. but is more reddish with streaks of chocolate..
The African is brighter than Indian.. but feels similar to the DN... I dont have experience with the Honduran except it looks incredible in the ones that i have seen..
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I agree 100% as my 1600 has the rare African and my LG has DN but the DN is much more oily and older more vintage sounding.......
 
#844
Why is the brazilian rosewood the only species that get called by its scientific name here? All the others are called African Rosewood (Dalbergia Melanoxylon) , Indian Rosewood (Dalbergia sissoo)... But Brazilian Rosewood is called Dalbergia Nigra...
 
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KJung said:
I think the huge upcharge for the Brazilian (DN) is that it is true Brazilian RW that was cut long ago (before the ban and lack of availability). I guess, according to the Fender experts on this thread, it's what was used in the earliest Fenders, and hence is the most 'accurate' true 'pre CBS' type thing if you are a fanatic about that.

I have seen the Brazilian RW that Carey Nordstrand uses, and it is simply amazing also. My understanding is that there is now some 'real' Brazilian RW available again, and it comes from old stumps that are being harvested. I think his upcharge was $100!

I played the bass you have (as you know), and the Honduran looks, feels, and as far as I can tell, sounds similar to the Indian RW I have on my bass. It feels hard and has a nice, quick but warm tone, with plenty of top end. The Brazilian I had on my Nordy and the Madagascar (don't quite know where that fits it... it's very red in color) I have on my Sadowksy RV both felt oilier, softer, and had more of a give to the feel, and maybe a touch softer attack (based on a small sample). I have never played the DN though.
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This is pretty much right on...just to clarify a little the Brazillian that is used today is typically stump wood. Most of the stump wood that is harvested is old, dead, and decaying and drying up. There is also the possibility that it is being referred to as Brazillian (AKA Dalbergia) incorrectly and in fact is not actually Brazilian at all. The more reputable builders will be using real stump wood which is True Brazillian and would (and if it is true Brazilian, should) be considered Dalbergia Negra. The Dalbergia that Jimmy had was Old Growth, Old Cut (about 80 years old as I understand it) trunk wood that was mature and alive at the time it was cut. The differences should be readily apparent if you stop and think about it. I had and have had a few different basses with Honduran including the one here. To me the Honduran was harder and had a quicker attack than the Dalbergia. I would consider it closer to Maple tonally than the Indian or obviously the Dalbergia. It is not as warm as the Dalbergia and more percussive than the Indian. All of them sound great but the Dalbergia would be softest and warmest.

Peace,

T
 
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Coelho said:
Sorry, but Dalbergia Nigra is the species name for brazilian rosewood. It is the same wood. Anything other than DN is not brazilian rosewood.
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+1 I keep saying the same thing...It seems to elude people I think because most builders refer to a non maple board as "Rosewood" and usually call it Brazillian Rosewood which to me is very deceiving unless it actually is Brazillian (or Dalbergia). I have seen the spelling both Negra and Nigra but it is the same species of wood either way. Negra of course means black in some languages and I wonder if that is used to denote the darkness of the wood.

Peace,

T
 
#851
jonno1707 said:
Kingwood, Tulipwood, Jacaranda do Para, just to name a few are rosewoods from Brazil with different species names all starting with Dalbergia...
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But none of those IS BRazilian Rosewood! The ONLY TRUE Brazillian Rosewood is Dalbergia Negra (or Nigra, same species) Dalbergia Negra is the Species designate for Brazillian Rosewood. NO other Rosewood is Brazillian Rosewood other than Dalbergia Negra...period...

Peace,

T
 
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Coelho said:
Why is the brazilian rosewood the only species that get called by its scientific name here? All the others are called African Rosewood (Dalbergia Melanoxylon) , Indian Rosewood (Dalbergia sissoo)... But Brazilian Rosewood is called Dalbergia Nigra...
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I am certainly no scientist so I only speak for myself, but I believe on Jimmy's old site he referred to Indian as standard and the Dalbergia Nigra as a special limited available wood. You can ask him why he did that.

I did mention earlier that I thought there is a percieved difference in quality between what Jimmy was selling as DN and what many other builders are advertising as Brazillian.

In any case using the scientific names is probably the best idea although I don't understand many things .............. It all gets a little silly to me.....
 
#854
Peter

I talked with Jimmy about the Hundurian at one point. He said that it had the Lows of the Brazilian combined withe the highs of the Indian.

He spoke highly of it.

That description combined with Tommix's and others reviews reviews of your bass and the opportunity to play before buying had me lined up to check out possibly buy your axe.You pulled the paypal trigger while I was phone tagging Kim.



Aj
 
#855
jonno1707 said:
Watch this video and fast forward to 1:27
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What are we listening for? He said as he understands it, there are about 10 species of Brazillian Rosewood? HE MISSPOKE! Yes I will say it. HE MISSPOKE or was misinformed. I think what he probably meant was there are about 10 or so INSTRUMENT GRADE species of wood that come form Brazil....that is not the same thing as calling them all Brazillian Rosewood...

I have been buying, selling, and repairing instruments for over 30 years and I am telling you there is ONLY ONE TRUE Brazillian Rosewood and the species name for that is Dalbergia Negra. I attached a link to support that somewhere in one of the Alleva threads if you want to find it...I don't know which one. I have also paraphrased the same in several parts since the original Alleva thread was started. This is not a difficult thing to understand....we are talking about the scientific species designation for Brazillian Rosewood (the species) not a blanket designation for all the woods that come from a country....I would suggest you call Jimmy if you feel that strongly about it and get it directly from him...I did before I ordered it on my first 3 TS...

Peace,

T

Peace,

T
 
#856
Please let me rephrase - before there is a riot!:hiding:

I was simply asking for a comparison of the tone and feel of fingerboard materials as each builder refers to them.

I'd suggest an easy google search for more information for those really interested in genus and species information.

God help me:crying:
 
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KJung said:
I played the bass you have (as you know), and the Honduran looks, feels, and as far as I can tell, sounds similar to the Indian RW I have on my bass. It feels hard and has a nice, quick but warm tone, with plenty of top end. The Brazilian I had on my Nordy and the Madagascar (don't quite know where that fits it... it's very red in color) I have on my Sadowksy RV both felt oilier, softer, and had more of a give to the feel, and maybe a touch softer attack (based on a small sample). I have never played the DN though.
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See this is interesting, because when I played XavidmanX's LG with the DN board, it seemed relatively snappy for a rosewood. I wonder if the age of the wood has resulted in maybe some partial petrification or otherwise hardening?
 
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