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Club Sadowsky!!!

Good comments but no one answered my question. Since German Sadowsky basses have it, did they start doing it on the current NYC basses as well?
No … since Sadowsky frets are installed completely by hand, they’re expertly installed one by one and all frets are leveled, rounded and crowned by hand.

From my understanding, Warwick uses precut and pre shaped frets that are factory made and installed by a machine, with some leveling and final tweaks done by hand after that. Having the frets all cut to length and pre shaped by a machine allows them to save time and labor costs during the manufacturing process.

If I’m wrong on that, happy to be corrected, but I believe I’m close.

Positives and negatives to both, in my opinion, but I’d opt for the former before the latter any day of the week when it comes to a high end bass crafted by top-level luthiers.

Based on the differing replies shown here, YMMV.
 
Reading of the various complaints of the Warwick Sadowskys I wonder if they were indicative of early production run teething problems.

I have a 2022 Sadowsky MetroLine Will Lee RW4. #SML F 001868-22 MetroLine. That would appear to be over two thousand units already made.

The invisible fret ends are perfectly rounded. The Adjust-A-Nut seems to be cut to size expressly for Sadowsky Blue Label flats. The adjustment is welcome under the E-string for a low string height.

I have no criticisms of this production bass for the money or otherwise.
 
Two of mine were from late 2022, one was from 2021. I didn't have a problem with the frets at all. I just found the hardware, electronics, pickups, and finish to be subpar.

Reading of the various complaints of the Warwick Sadowskys I wonder if they were indicative of early production run teething problems.

I have a 2022 Sadowsky MetroLine Will Lee RW4. #SML F 001868-22 MetroLine. That would appear to be over two thousand units already made.

The invisible fret ends are perfectly rounded. The Adjust-A-Nut seems to be cut to size expressly for Sadowsky Blue Label flats. The adjustment is welcome under the E-string for a low string height.

I have no criticisms of this production bass for the money or otherwise.
 
Two of mine were from late 2022, one was from 2021. I didn't have a problem with the frets at all. I just found the hardware, electronics, pickups, and finish to be subpar.
Same. The one I own is from 2022 and have had the same issues with my bass. Although, I’d add the garbage gig bag to my list … not acceptable for a $3000 bass, in my opinion.

And my frets are fine … didnt mean to imply they weren’t. I just have a slight issue with the whole “IFT - Invisible Fret Technology” marketing … I find it to be a bit silly.
 
And my frets are fine … didnt mean to imply they weren’t. I just have a slight issue with the whole “IFT - Invisible Fret Technology” marketing … I find it to be a bit silly.

Marketers gonna market. :D

Naturally, none of my NYC Sadowskys have IFT (gonna go with that because it's easy to type), and unlike a couple other basses I own I've never had fret sprout with them. That said, I think IFT (or whatever) is a clever and elegant innovation. My concern was fret ends, but marchone said that they are perfectly rounded so that concern is moot.

I would never say that IFT is a must-have, and understand that it's too labor-intensive for Sadowsky NYC, but I would definitely rate it nice-to-have for both look and feel, especially if it eliminates the possibility of sprout (which is remote on top quality basses such as Sadowsky, but does apparently happen in some climates).
 
Fret sprout is a funny thing. I've been at this for over 30 years and never had a run on fret sprout until recently. And four in row at that! All exceptionally high-end basses and barely a year old in each case: one shipped from Phoenix, one from Santa Rosa and two from Philadelphia. It was weird but they’ve all since been lovingly corrected by my talented Tech so no worries. That said, I kind of like feeling the metal on that curved edge. If it were missing like in the case of IFTs, it would just feel odd to me. Not ‘bad’ but for me it’d be kind of distracting. “Something’s missing…”
 
As the owner of a much loved MIJ Will Lee 4 I at times seriously consider another Sadowsky, not helped by this forum I might add. I stupidly moved on a Japan MV4 many years ago before I understood the importance of using the vtc. The Japan WL is not going anywhere. So after avidly following the debate over the last few years my preferred options seem to be 1) get a used Mij which in terms of quality seems to be a safer option than a Warwick at the moment. But I quite like the idea of a chambered body for lighter weight so 2) get a Sadwick and see if I can live with it. 3) bite the bullet and get a NYC which involves a wait unless I can find a used one that I can get to New Zealand. Love my Will Lee Japan, the finest build bass I have ever owned but I am so tempted to try a chambered body although I realise some prefer the solid options.
 
Hey guys - I recently got a German Masterbuilt Sadowsky P bass - to say that I am blown away by the fit/finish and tone, is an understatement. It far surpassed my expectations - my other basses are Wals, Skjold, Dingwalls, Fender CS's, and Pedulla's....so not exactly junk. lol
This German made instrument is DEF on par with these others and in some respects - better. The IFT is perfection, the neck shape is perfect, the rubbery pickups are a treat, the tones and weight - amazing.
Super happy to have one in my line-up.
 
Hello Tim1,
My Sadowsky Metroline will be delivered by the end of May. After reading some of the negative experiences in this thread my expectations are very reduced right now. But maybe Warwick can produce more efficiently now-
the effects of Covid had surrly very negative effects on this. I hope for the best and will report
 
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Hello Tim1,
My Sadowsky Metroline will be delivered by the end of May. After reading some of the negative experiences in this thread my expectations are very reduced right now. But maybe Warwick can produce more efficiently now-
the effects of Covid had surrly very negative effects on this. I hope for the best and will report

Don’t let this forum reduce your expectations, you should be excited about your new bass. Everybody has different standards and perceptions and at the end only your own experience matters. Sadowsky owners are passionate about their basses, some of us might be purists, others just a little skeptical about change and a few might indeed have ended up with a lemon. I have two NYCs, two Japanese Metrolines and one 2022 German Metroline. The only concern I share about the MIGs are the tuners, but it looks like not everybody is experiencing issues. They definitely work, but 2 of mine didn’t turn as smooth as I expected. Updating to Hipshot Ultralites was a fairly cheap and easy fix (I am not saying that you should have to do that on a bass that is over $3,000) and my German Metroline 5/21 now weighs only 8.3 pounds. Other than that sound, overall quality and playability are top notch.
Enjoy your new axe !!!!
 
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Enjoy your new axe !!!!

Thanks for your kind words

All over Talkbass you can read posts about new basses (and not only cheap ones ! ) that have often serious flaws that are not caused from shipping. I ask myself would we do this if we buy a new car or clothes or furniture that got this flaws?
Normally we send it back to the producer to fix it, this is also a kind of feedback for them. Maybe thats naive, but would they invest more in QC if more people do so ?
 
Thanks for your kind words

All over Talkbass you can read posts about new basses (and not only cheap ones ! ) that have often serious flaws that are not caused from shipping. I ask myself would we do this if we buy a new car or clothes or furniture that got this flaws?
Normally we send it back to the producer to fix it, this is also a kind of feedback for them. Maybe thats naive, but would they invest more in QC if more people do so ?

No need to worry. The Warwick people do honor their warranty.
On my MetroLine Modern 5er the plastic cover for the electronic cavity broke. I send it in and they replaced it, no questions asked. If something will be amiss with your bass, they'll take care of it.

To give my perspective on the MetroLine basses: The basses are DAMNED fine instruments. Fit and finish is impeccable on my two instruments (2022 limited edition Modern 5er and Will Lee 5er). The tuning machines aren't giving me any problems. They are not the best tuning machines you can get, but they do serve their purpose. On a side note: I actually will be upgrading the tuners on my Modern 5er to Hipshots in the near future. Not because of the performance of the tuners! The body of my Modern 5er is sooooo light, that I'm experiencing slight neck dive even with a realy wide strap. I'm hoping to remedy this with lighter tuners. No problems with the Will Lee 5er, as the bass is a bit heavier, hangs perfectly off my body.
The Adjust-A-Nut is a big plus in my book: I could adjust it to get a lower setup than factory spec on both instruments and I do not experience any issue swith the A-string as mentioned above.
Regarding the whole fret discussion: I don't have any complaints. Frets are there, leveled, no uneveness in height or somesuch. I do not know if they are rounded perfectly or what, but they feel good to me.
About the preamp: I have no experience with any "pre-Warwick" Sadowsky preamps, but I can not echo the sentiment that they're bad in any way. Operation and response of bass and treble pots is smooth on both basses and I in no way experience a "full throttle in the first 10%" scenario. On my Modern I barely boost bass and treble, on my Will lee I got bass and treble at about 30% boosted.

I've got three gripes with the german MetroLine basses: The plastic cover for the electronic cavity, the security locks and the included gig bag.
The plastic cover is a POS that can burn in a dumpster fire - period. I'm glad I only have to open it once every now and then to replace the battery. Thanks to whoever decided not to put this thing on the Will Lee but a regular cover with screws.
Also: The security locks are mediocre. They do look like older Schaller security locks but they are not. The real Schallers operated way smoother and fit tighter. While the Warwick ripoff does work, it just does not feel as good. It's not a big concern, as I only remove my bass strap for transportation, but I wanted to comment on this.
(Maybe that's the same gripe people have with the tuning machines but I simply don't know better in this regard?).
The gig bag for the MetroLine basses is a joke. The "Professional" version is damned great, but the "Express" is flimsy.

I can't realy understand the business decisions they make. The whole wood working part is great and all, but the impression of quality suffers, because they choose to use cheaper hardware. Realy, they ask big money for the basses but cheap out on details. Adding real Hipshot tuners and Schaller locks wouldn't cost them so much more at the volumes they're pumping out instruments. The impression suffers even more because Hipshot tuners were standard on the Japanese MetroLine basses before! Finally, the gig bag needs to be upgraded to the "Professional" version across the whole MetroLine lineup.

Anyway, the point to my rambling? Your bass will be fine.
 
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I have a NYC 5-24 Modern from 2010. It’s spectacular, but doesn’t have IFT. That said I also have another custom bass where I asked the luthier to do the invisible fret ends…and this bass has had a few issues with the frets/fingerboard shape…but I love the feel of the frets not sticking out.

I’m surprised to hear the MIG Sadowsky basses are having any issues whatsoever. But, I think it’s good to know and see that the NYC basses are still the top of the line, even without IFT. A few years ago, I wanted to get another Sadowsky (before the MIG ones came out) but I couldn’t afford another NYC and the MIJ ones were too heavy, so I ordered a custom Maruszczyk Elwood L. I made a few errors on my electronic selections, but later swapping out the pickups and preamp I am happy with the result. I haven’t played the MIG Sadowsky, so I can’t really compare, but compared to my NYC the Elwood L holds up quite well. There are some noticeable differences but some similarities too. The neck shape is a bit different, the finish on the neck is different, the cutaway/heel is awesome and allows access to 24 frets, and it’s chambered like the NYC basses. The Sadowsky NYC is still better, but I think the Elwood L is a good option for something similar on a tighter budget. I don’t know if it’s as good or better than the MIG, but my guess is it would be a good comparison and pretty close overall.
 
In reference to the MIG straplocks: they are complete garbage. I nearly dropped one of my basses twice because they did not fully engage. I switched them out with Dunlop buttons.
I switched the German-made OEM strap locks for standard Hipshot buttons. A clipped flat black nylon washer secures the strap as a tensioned retainer. It’s a far neater solution than Grolsch stoppers. And it doesn’t rattle.

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Thanks for your kind words

All over Talkbass you can read posts about new basses (and not only cheap ones ! ) that have often serious flaws that are not caused from shipping. I ask myself would we do this if we buy a new car or clothes or furniture that got this flaws?
Normally we send it back to the producer to fix it, this is also a kind of feedback for them. Maybe thats naive, but would they invest more in QC if more people do so ?

Don't forget that a) this is Talkbass :) and b) some of us bass players are very analytical and particular (and sometimes also emotional :)) about our equipment choices and c) many people are much more vocal about their negative experiences than their positive ones. I started playing bass on Fender Basses in the 1980s (in Germany btw) and back then we all tinkered with our instruments on the eternal quest for the perfect sound. Pickups, bridges, electronics, you name it. I never owned a Fender where I did not replace at least the pickups. For me things like strap locks are a question of preference, if I don't like what the bass comes with, I replace them. IMO the electronics cover, IFT and bag (I already own more quality bags than basses) are also personal preference. I get if you don't like them, but they are not defects. And as you already heard, the tuner issue does not seem to affect everyone. If my new bass has a defect, I will return it or demand a fix.
 
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Only "issue" I have with my Warwick-made Sadowsky is the strap locks - IMHO it says "Sadowsky" on the headstock and should come with the Dunlops that Roger standardized on. Quick and simple fix and I can share a strap between my NYC and my MIG.

Besides the obvious licensing challenges, why hasn't someone come up with a strap button that works with both the Schaller and Dunlop systems? Schaller on the outside, Dunlop on the inside, and this topic is moot. And yes, I'd pay $25 for a set (Dunlops run about $10 and Schallers about $15).
 
Only "issue" I have with my Warwick-made Sadowsky is the strap locks - IMHO it says "Sadowsky" on the headstock and should come with the Dunlops that Roger standardized on. Quick and simple fix and I can share a strap between my NYC and my MIG.

Besides the obvious licensing challenges, why hasn't someone come up with a strap button that works with both the Schaller and Dunlop systems? Schaller on the outside, Dunlop on the inside, and this topic is moot. And yes, I'd pay $25 for a set (Dunlops run about $10 and Schallers about $15).

Wish Sadowsky would sell the straplocks (and all their hardware in general) as I have a couple non Sadowsky basses that I play and I like to use the same strap