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Color or no color?

I find that a bit of an odd statement. Since controls are on an amp and not on a cab, wouldn't it make more sense for it to be the other way around?

Hey it's your preference, but I prefer to move a slider or turn a knob on an amp than buy a new cab every time I want to make an alteration to my sound.

But that's me.

I'm more interested in the inherent tone of my rig; as opposed to coaxing a tone out of it. I want to plug-n-play w/o fiddling w/EQ to get what I want. That's where I'm at with my LMII/Berg rig. When I play my small scale, looper-based gigs, my original HT112 works better. When I play more traditional(supportive) situations, the newer Berg 1x12" works better. Either situation, it generally seems to work best keeping my amp EQ flat. :)
 
I don't think a cab can be too transparent. If my speaker literally beamed my DI tone into your brain, I would be fine with that.

I dunno. I like how my tone sits in a mix / yet can leap out of a mix like it does with my rig. I suppose I could see going with a cab with a flatter response if I were using a head with a more pronounced character, such as an SVT. I might have to really work the EQ to get it to work -I might not either- ...just depends on the components and the situation.
Using an EA head, for example, with a cab like a fEARful/Accugroove/Acme, etc. might only work for me in more limited situations.
 
I don't mind my speakers coloring the sound a bit, but I just like a very basic sound itself...the power amp amplifying the bass sound. I tend to use the "disco curve" eq setting ,but that is about it.

I like the color difference between my Hartke and Avatar speakers. I could not imagine having completely "flat" sounding speakers. Isn't the combination what gives us all our signature sound?
 
relatively flat, but I don't expect a bass cabinet to act like a studio monitor.

When I go play live I expect my rig to perform and sound very very similar to playing through my same pedalboard and head into a Firewire interface and listening on good headphones. That's my goal. Reliable reproduction of the sounds I set up without using my entire rig.
 
Isn't flat just a different color?

If tone were a color palette, flat would be neutral (as in grey, a combination of black and white, which are not colors).

I look at it this way...I want to color my sound any which way I choose, and that is not always the same from gig to gig (depending on genre or even songs).

If bass cabs were coloring books, why would I want someone to color it in for me? Give me a blank page and let me decide how I want it to sound. If I have a relatively uncolored cab, then I can play around with my bass and amp and make it sound however I want it to. No point in selling me a box of crayons only to open it and find they are all blue and now I gotta go get a different box.

Difference being of course, boxes of crayons don't cost $700 or whatever.
 
Generally I prefer the bass tone on my amp than what I hear from the FOH speakers. If a flat bass cab sounds like a DI bass on a PA I'd rather use a "coloring" cab...

You'd feel different about that if you actually had a choice in how it sounded through the FOH. Which is actually the whole point in using a neutral or "uncolored" bass cab. YOU get to make the choice in how it sounds.
 
When you get a great sounding rig, one that makes the notes feel great.... if it's colored but good, I am fine with that.

I think about Jaco and his Acoustic 360's... or the fat tubby warmth of an Ampeg B-15 or the snap of a Hartke aluminum cone... or the thunderous low end of a SVT bottom, all colored, but all good in their owe way to my ears.

I get the guys who say they don't want coloration but everything in the signal chain from the PU to strings, to the cables, to the amp, to the mixing board, to the signal processing adds it's own coloration.... bottom line...does it sound good?, does it feel good? if the answer is yes..... beautiful
 
I think many feel a "flat", "neutral" or "uncolored" cab is incapable of producing a particular pleasing tone, or that it is somehow "sterile" or devoid of tone.

If anything, it is the exact opposite. The more neutral a cab is, the MORE tonal options are available. What makes a "colored" cab have it's characteristic tone is actually limitations in the frequency range. Of course if someone loves that limitation, then it's all good. If someone doesn't then it's on to the next cab.

I'd rather just be able to change the input to the cab, than the cab itself.
 
When you get a great sounding rig, one that makes the notes feel great.... if it's colored but good, I am fine with that.

I think about Jaco and his Acoustic 360's... or the fat tubby warmth of an Ampeg B-15 or the snap of a Hartke aluminum cone... or the thunderous low end of a SVT bottom, all colored, but all good in their owe way to my ears.

I get the guys who say they don't want coloration but everything in the signal chain from the PU to strings, to the cables, to the amp, to the mixing board, to the signal processing adds it's own coloration.... bottom line...does it sound good?, does it feel good? if the answer is yes..... beautiful

I agree with you, and I love the sound of lots of different "colored" cabs. But I also like a variety of sounds and want to be able to get it with one cab.

Like you said...

"everything in the signal chain from the PU to strings, to the cables, to the amp, to the mixing board, to the signal processing adds it's own coloration"...

Which is exactly why using any or all those tools allows one to use the same "uncolored" cab for any tone one may want.
 
I can never remember, is black all colors and white the absense of color or is it the other way around. Isn't that one of those things that runs counter to what you might think at first? Kinda like how setting speakers side by side narrows dispersion instead of increasing it?
 
are you trying to talk people into using an "uncolored" cab, bro?

I'm trying to talk people out of this nonsense that an "uncolored" cab is "sterile" or lacking tone, or that it's only useful in a studio or for a PA. Just trying to clear up misconceptions.

I happen to love a lot of "colored" cabs...and really dig their inherent tone! But I ain't Tom Bowlus. :D
 
I can never remember, is black all colors and white the absense of color or is it the other way around. Isn't that one of those things that runs counter to what you might think at first? Kinda like how setting speakers side by side narrows dispersion instead of increasing it?

Pretty sure I understand this correctly...

In paint, the primary colors are red, blue, and yellow, with green, orange, and violet being secondary, and adding varying amounts of those three colors eventually getting you to black. The absence of color is white.
Red + green = brown

In light, the primary colors are red, blue, and green, with secondary colors yellow, cyan, and magenta, and adding colors will eventually get you to white. The absence of color is black.
Red + green = yellow

You can also look at it as the ability to reflect or absorb light.
Black absorbs all light, and reflects almost no light.
Red will absorb blue and green light, and reflects red light.
Blue will absorb red and green light, and reflects blue light.
Green will absorb blue and red light, and reflects green light.
White reflects all light, and absorbs almost no light.
Etc.

We now return you to the cabinet coloration debate still in progress. :D
 
Maybe I'm off on that. I'm doing little homemade 3 light racks to take with us to gigs where "if we don't bring it, it ain't there" using the primary colors of red, blue and yellow figuring where they mix might throw shades of orange, green or purple.

I didn't see any bulbs labeled cyan or magenta. :)
 

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