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complaint box/forum/soapbox
- Thread starter john turner
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I have a SAC tomorow (like an in class exam/assesment) that I havn't studied for and i'm too tired to be bothered cos i'm bloody hungry and don't have dinner =<
I also speant the last 2 hours cleaning my car in the cold, which sucked.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand (though this is kind of cool) I just realised how much I spent on the weekend (a long w/e here) when our group (about 8 of us) totalled up our booze account at $800!
I also speant the last 2 hours cleaning my car in the cold, which sucked.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand (though this is kind of cool) I just realised how much I spent on the weekend (a long w/e here) when our group (about 8 of us) totalled up our booze account at $800!
morf said:
Because I was looking for help how? Quoting someone is basically saying “I think this way but someone before me thought of it already. If I did not quote him I would be plagiarizing by saying that his idea is in-fact my.
morf said:
Take it any way you like, I take it the way I do and way I think is more beneficial for me. What ever works for you.
morf said:Know that in 20+ years we'll be the ones cutting your retirement money
If you have not realized this yet, I would like you to direct you to my age; it is stated clearly in my profile, 25 years old starting tomorrow (June 15th). If we were in same country you would be pay for my retirement for about 5 years, I appreciate that.
morf said:
If you want to take it personal rather then general ok, I never said I was mature, I said I hoped I was getting close. However you are making a mistake thinking that if one makes a joke or finds something funny they are "immature". No one is 100% mature, everyone has much to learn.
morf said:
Maturity is all those things.
morf said:
People usually listen to a part of an argument before making that assumption.
morf said:
First, that can not be a fact as it can not be measured, its a theory.
One can argue that we "think" that a lot of us are smarter, but in-fact we are the same as generation that came before us.morf said:But hey you and the others being condescending towards the younger generations probably won't change your point of view either way, I can picture you already rolling your eyes with a smirk on your face, so lets leave it at that
Once again, I am not that much older then you. On the comment that I am rolling my eyes, if that was so you would not have seen this post being made.
In the end, you take comments of other people any way you like; it’s completely up to you, but if you don’t take other peoples comments seriously, how can you expect them to take you in any other way but that?
I guess proper use of the quoting system is important when you're besides the point...
Yes, but what I meant was that your quote was irrelevant to
the subject at hand. We're talking about older people disregarding the youngs' opinions because of their age and saying so. Knowing you dont know everything has nothing to do
with it. Everybody realizes that they dont know everything but everybody has an opinion on the subject, and everybody's
opinion is worth as much as the next. Quoting Socrates sure looks nice in a post, but if its off subject there is no point to it.
Like I said, I do not take such comments seriously, although it is sad to see so many older users so close minded.
Like Im trying to explain to you, age is not important here. Sure you're 25, but you still believe age is a deciding factor in the understanding and listening of younger users. That's IMO very old fashioned, you may as well be 50.
I was just giving an example, and I did say I meant nothing pejorative by it. Making jokes and finding stuff funny is indeed very normal, I'm making a point that the way you act/talk on a public forum has nothing to do with your capacities to understanding and apprehension when you're being serious. Just because a younger user says something in his own words which may be a bit "plain", or because his opinion sounds odd to you after reading 3 words of it, doesnt mean his age is the deciding factor for his intellectual capacities.
I agree. Seeing as you (you being a general term meaning whatever users are in question) dont take young users comments seriously, I thought it was needed to be reminded.
that's not the way arguments work. You don't know what a person may think until they've explained it to the end, and even then you may not quite understand what they mean. Judgement shouldnt be passed too quickly.
Fair enough, its a theory. Ask the 40+ generation if they think they're smarter than their parents, more open minded and understanding.
This whole post you made is still pretty much besides the point, and you did not get (or at least dont appear to have) a single word i said.
I dont take some comments seriously, fair enough. The comments coming from an older user saying a younger one's opinion isnt right because hes still young and has ways to go I certainly shouldnt take seriously. How do you expect someone to take you seriously when you're arguing with them and they reply to an intelligent response you've made: "youre young u dont know much yet"? I am more than ready to take people seriously, I've taken you seriously for arguing up to this point about it, but that has to go both ways.
kserg said:
Yes, but what I meant was that your quote was irrelevant to
the subject at hand. We're talking about older people disregarding the youngs' opinions because of their age and saying so. Knowing you dont know everything has nothing to do
with it. Everybody realizes that they dont know everything but everybody has an opinion on the subject, and everybody's
opinion is worth as much as the next. Quoting Socrates sure looks nice in a post, but if its off subject there is no point to it.
kserg said:
Like I said, I do not take such comments seriously, although it is sad to see so many older users so close minded.
kserg said:If you have not realized this yet, I would like you to direct you to my age; it is stated clearly in my profile, 25 years old starting tomorrow (June 15th). If we were in same country you would be pay for my retirement for about 5 years, I appreciate that.
Like Im trying to explain to you, age is not important here. Sure you're 25, but you still believe age is a deciding factor in the understanding and listening of younger users. That's IMO very old fashioned, you may as well be 50.
kserg said:
I was just giving an example, and I did say I meant nothing pejorative by it. Making jokes and finding stuff funny is indeed very normal, I'm making a point that the way you act/talk on a public forum has nothing to do with your capacities to understanding and apprehension when you're being serious. Just because a younger user says something in his own words which may be a bit "plain", or because his opinion sounds odd to you after reading 3 words of it, doesnt mean his age is the deciding factor for his intellectual capacities.
kserg said:
I agree. Seeing as you (you being a general term meaning whatever users are in question) dont take young users comments seriously, I thought it was needed to be reminded.
kserg said:
that's not the way arguments work. You don't know what a person may think until they've explained it to the end, and even then you may not quite understand what they mean. Judgement shouldnt be passed too quickly.
kserg said:First, that can not be a fact as it can not be measured, its a theory.
Fair enough, its a theory. Ask the 40+ generation if they think they're smarter than their parents, more open minded and understanding.
kserg said:Once again, I am not that much older then you. On the comment that I am rolling my eyes, if that was so you would not have seen this post being made.
This whole post you made is still pretty much besides the point, and you did not get (or at least dont appear to have) a single word i said.
kserg said:
I dont take some comments seriously, fair enough. The comments coming from an older user saying a younger one's opinion isnt right because hes still young and has ways to go I certainly shouldnt take seriously. How do you expect someone to take you seriously when you're arguing with them and they reply to an intelligent response you've made: "youre young u dont know much yet"? I am more than ready to take people seriously, I've taken you seriously for arguing up to this point about it, but that has to go both ways.
morf said:I dont see whats up with all the young'uns dissing. You're all old, married, with children, you're never gonna have another woman in your bed for the most part, you're never gonna play any sport like you did when you were 20, the more you grow the older, balder, fatter, close-minded you get...
Oh, I see why you diss us so much now, my bad
Speak for yourself Morfy. I'm going to be 42 in two days. I'm a lot thinner than I was at 30, I have a full head of hair, and although I don't take the opportunity anymore because I'm married and all, have turned down more tail lately than I ever did in my late 20s. (I also recognize that Gene Simmons is a crappy bass player)
Something I hate:
My house is wired so that the light switches turn on/off the opposite lights... the switch on the left turns on the light on the right. My sister's house is the same way.
My house is wired so that the light switches turn on/off the opposite lights... the switch on the left turns on the light on the right. My sister's house is the same way.
Yeah. I hate it when people make generalizations.morf said:
Nice. That distant flushing noise you hear is your opinion as it applies to me. In fact, this quote has just guaranteed that I won't value your opinion on much of anything for a while. Not because of your age, but because you act it. Good job, sparky. You've just proven everyone right.
Mike
Later, when you're more mature, you'll think of a better response.morf said:Yea, as usual we can be insulted but if we say anything back, thats what we get.
Mike
Never gonna have another woman in your bed? Why is that such a bad thing?
Having kids? Is that supposed to be bad? It's the best thing that's ever happened to me.
If you think that is supposed to be insulting, then I must say, yes, that sounds very immature.
I'd also like to add that there is a big difference between education/book learning and the wisdom that comes through living life. Listen to your previous generations; you can learn a lot from them.
Having kids? Is that supposed to be bad? It's the best thing that's ever happened to me.
If you think that is supposed to be insulting, then I must say, yes, that sounds very immature.
I'd also like to add that there is a big difference between education/book learning and the wisdom that comes through living life. Listen to your previous generations; you can learn a lot from them.
I dont mean that to be particularly insulting, those are just things in life I do not wish right now, it just means your life is established and you have a daily routine which is set, and you dont discover as many new things as the younger generations.
I do listen to previous generations, and by no means do I think education is the only important factor. Wisdom however, does not always come with age. There are bad experiences which set negative opinions.
I do listen to previous generations, and by no means do I think education is the only important factor. Wisdom however, does not always come with age. There are bad experiences which set negative opinions.
I guess so, so are insults for that matter.morf said:
morf said:
Actually my quotation is not that irrelevant. One can not have a valid opinion on something with out knowing the subject. However many young people think they know something with out actually having a clue about the subject. Many older folks make the same mistake but it is generally present more so in younger crowd, including myself at times. No one disregards a younger person just because they are young but rather if they actually know the subject at hand or not. If they do, their opinion is valid by mostly everyone, If they don’t, it is quite normal for one to tell them that they have a lot of learn.
You are also wrong that everyone has a opinion on everything and their opinion should count. I for one do not have opinion on everything. I also absolutely will not value opinion of someone who has no way of backing his opinion up as much as someone who can bring solid evidence for his/her believes.
morf said:
Way to be “open-minded”.
morf said:
I’m still listing to you am I not? But thanks.
morf said:
Just because they might “think” that doesn’t make it true. I think world is flat, but no matter how hard I think/believe that it wont make it true.
morf said:
Again, there are usually reasons behind those comments, some of those reasons one should take note on. After all not every young person and not to every argument people say that to.
morf said:Yea, as usual we can be insulted but if we say anything back, thats what we get.
Please show us where you've been insulted prior to your insults in this thread? Did I insult you in anyway?
PS. And who is this we? Being same age group as you, am I in your "we".
morf said:
I will disagree with the statement that I don't 'discover as many new things as the younger generations.' Unless you are talking about discovering things that people who have been around already know.
Babies are brought into the world knowing nothing. They 'discover' sounds, colors, tastes, how to talk, how to crap in a toilet, etc. They are discovering a lot more every day than you probably are, in a numerical sense (I would hope you have the previous list down by now).
Likewise, I don't have to discover what it's like to fall in love for the first time, to work at my first job, how to succeed in college, how to pass through airport security quickly, etc. I've been there, done that. Someone who hasn't had those experiences and is now going through them is now 'discovering' those 'new' experiences. So their rate of discover would in fact be higher, but they are lacking in life experiences, which are discoveries that have already happened.
There's nothing new under the sun.
As far as previous generations, to anyone reading, spend some time with them and LISTEN. Ask your grandparents or someone what it was like for them when they were growing up and let them tell you. I would love to hear first hand accounts from a WWII vet about that time in history; we are quickly running out of surviving vets. Could you imagine hearing about D-Day from someone who was actually on the beach that day?? That's an opportunity of a lifetime to hear something like that. If your grandparents are still alive, how much do you REALLY know about them? How did they meet? Where did they get married? Where did they used to work? Do you know the names of your great-grandparents?
Once they're gone, you'll lose it forever.
Diggler said:
You can do that???? Indeed i have a lot to learn!
Diggler said:
I would to; unfortunately my grandma can't talk about that, too many bad memories from the Russian front.
That reminds me, I promised to call her today... hopefully I’ll wake up in few hours and give her a call.
kserg said:You can do that???? Indeed i have a lot to learn!
Well... relatively speaking. Easily removeable shoes, have your laptop out of the case and ready to go (only made that mistake once...), don't wear jewelry, belts, etc, notify them ahead of time about the metal plate in your head...
ETA: My mom's dad served during the Korean conflict. He died over 10 years ago and I don't know the first thing about his service.
