Why don’t we treat the climate crisis with the same urgency as coronavirus? | Owen Jones
"Psychological distance".
"Psychological distance".
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Coronavirus discussion thread - NO POLITICS, or "POLITICS by PROXY"
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Indeed, it's a time honored tradition in the Midwest. I've played wedding gigs where the reception dinner was pot luck.
Expect he's talking Injera bread and such. Probably a much bigger ask given its cultural significance.
What I mean is various casseroles, stuff in crock pots, fried chicken, cheese & crackers, chips, desserts, etc.
Yet selected facts can confirm a bias. This is the basis of climate change. Which is quite enough said on that here already already.I didn't realize facts came in any other flavor (sorry...as fully indoctrinated apologist in the cult of Science, I couldn't resist)
Seems to me that self isolation has aleady started. Restaurants in the area report slow down of customers. And people stocking up on supplies means less visits to the store.
Not seeing where pita and injera bread torn up and dipped by hand into various dishes isn't a big part of that mix. It don't make much difference in terms of outcomes whether or not they are included in the list of examples. Except as I say such dining may be more entrenched in the cultures they come from.
But then coronaviri could well be like 15 seconds of fame to thousand year old cultures. Media driven panic probably won't have the attention span to make big changes to cultures that've survived far more existential threats.
Someone sited the UK earlier in this thread as an example of how it’s not so bad. A word of caution here: the UK is at the beginning of its outbreak and several weeks behind Italy. Overnight our cases jumped by 30%. If that’s the infection rate we’ll be on our way to lockdown soon. I work within the National Health Service in Scotland but not in the Coronavirus response team (who are in the same building). Feeling here among colleagues and friends is that we expect school closures to begin next week. I’m working at home today as a precaution and to put colleagues minds at rest as I have a cough. I’ve just picked up my son’s cold but I know people will freak out if I turn up and cough all over the place! Thing is, if it’s anything worse than that, I will have already been spreading it around work, school, the community centre, the supermarket, the gig I went to Friday etc. For the last 2 weeks. How ever bad it gets, it’s going to last at least until June. And don’t give me the warm weather argument - I live in Scotland!!
To make more NaOCl, eh? We appreciate your hard work in times of need.
And I gotta say that now I'm suddenly somewhat glad to be a compulsive hand-washer. Touch stuff, wash my hands. Repeat.
What was inititally a bit of a fault is now a virtue.
Me too, however, I can’t get my 6 year old to stop licking his fingers!! Unfortunately it’s the behaviour of everyone that is going to dictate how this plays out. Good hygiene and isolation is a start but everyone in our supply chain, food, money, gas, post, the person who last touched the kettle in the kitchen, is a weak link. How many times a day can you realistically wash your hands? This is why it is more of a problem than seasonal flu. It is both highly contagious and has a higher mortality rate. In the UK we have an average annual flu mortality rate of 17,000. I believe last year was only 8,000 but a couple of years ago it was 23,000, or thereabouts. I don’t think Covid 19 will reach that level in the UK but it has the potential to hit the hundreds of thousands if we don’t act. Is it panic? No, but it is a concern that we shouldn’t take lightly. I know of a couple of people who have returned from northern Italy (one from the Venice Carnival) in the last 2 weeks. I’ll be very interested to see if anything happens there. I’ll keep you posted.
Restrictive measures are quickly raising, here. Imho, that's good news.
I'd prefer to stay home and not get paid instead of going to work and risk my and other's people health.
The problem is that if you talk with some business owners, or watch interviews on the local news channels, you quickly realize that there's some people that would do literaly ANYTHING in order to keep their business open and running. That means also infecting other people, of course. That's very egoistic, dangerous, and sad.
There's also people escaping from "red zones" in order to reconnect with their relatives, and obviously putting their lives in danger.
Some days ago a man from Vo' (red zone) escaped the quarantine to go skiing in the snows of Trentino. He had a skiing accident and when the hospital accepted him, the disturbing truth was discovered.
Don't make the mistake of counting on other's people common sense. Stay alert, and keep your eyes open.
I'd prefer to stay home and not get paid instead of going to work and risk my and other's people health.
The problem is that if you talk with some business owners, or watch interviews on the local news channels, you quickly realize that there's some people that would do literaly ANYTHING in order to keep their business open and running. That means also infecting other people, of course. That's very egoistic, dangerous, and sad.
There's also people escaping from "red zones" in order to reconnect with their relatives, and obviously putting their lives in danger.
Some days ago a man from Vo' (red zone) escaped the quarantine to go skiing in the snows of Trentino. He had a skiing accident and when the hospital accepted him, the disturbing truth was discovered.
Don't make the mistake of counting on other's people common sense. Stay alert, and keep your eyes open.
Motivated reasoning is no substitute for reality:
Get used to it. This is our Darwin Award.
How much of our economy is based on Glade plug-ins and fidget-spinners and slim-jim-dorito-stuffed-crust-ranch-blaster-pizza from Arby’s? You know.... things people cannot possibly live without for a little while. I think we are about to discover that our entire civilization is a house of cards.
But as long as your favorite pundit is telling you that it’s just a cold and you should go to work sick, you should do so because the alternative would mean you will be forced to buy Mountain Dew from the government and that will never do.
But as long as your favorite pundit is telling you that it’s just a cold and you should go to work sick, you should do so because the alternative would mean you will be forced to buy Mountain Dew from the government and that will never do.
The basis of climate change is a simple chemical reaction that is prevalent on Venus. That basic science grounding or it's lack is the difference in opinion. as well as some stuff about "dominion". pure arrogance.
That works in a few different ways, Orwell's piece below was originally the introduction to Animal Farm, but it was never published. Surprise surprise:
"Unpopular ideas can be silenced, and inconvenient facts kept dark, without the need for any official ban. Anyone who has lived long in a foreign country will know of instances of sensational items of news—things which on their own merits would get the big headlines—being kept right out of the British press, not because the Government intervened but because of a general tacit agreement that ‘it wouldn’t do’ to mention that particular fact. So far as the daily newspapers go, this is easy to understand. The British press is extremely centralised, and most of it is owned by wealthy men who have every motive to be dishonest on certain important topics. But the same kind of veiled censorship also operates in books and periodicals, as well as in plays, films and radio. At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed that all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to say this, that or the other, but it is ‘not done’ to say it, just as in mid-Victorian times it was ‘not done’ to mention trousers in the presence of a lady. Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with surprising effectiveness. A genuinely unfashionable opinion is almost never given a fair hearing, either in the popular press or in the highbrow periodicals."
The Freedom of the Press | The Orwell Foundation
washing hands can only go so far. last friday, a checkout guy who was holding two pieces of clothing coughed directly ito my face 
since he continued making cold sounds afterward, i hope he had an allergy rather than covid 19 or the flu.
since he continued making cold sounds afterward, i hope he had an allergy rather than covid 19 or the flu.
It is allergy season for sure. My wife and oldest son are suffering with them right now.washing hands can only go so far. last friday, a checkout guy who was holding two pieces of clothing coughed directly ito my face
since he continued making cold sounds afterward, i hope he had an allergy rather than covid 19 or the flu.
