Yeah, when running sound, it can get frustrating when it creates a mess. I just try to kindly chat with the player and let them know what it's doing in the room and to the mix. If they don't change anything, that's where judicious use of Low Shelving EQ and HPFs on the mixing board come in handy. Gotta do what ya gotta do.
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Yeah, when running sound, it can get frustrating when it creates a mess. I just try to kindly chat with the player and let them know what it's doing in the room and to the mix. If they don't change anything, that's where judicious use of Low Shelving EQ and HPFs on the mixing board come in handy. Gotta do what ya gotta do.
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I do usually play a passive, but amps are all Ampeg.
If I'm screwing the pooch, I'd like to know about it. So far, nobody has.
I hear you. If it gets to the point that their bass is simply overpowering the great sound that WAS in the mix.....I pull the XLR out of the mixer, show it to them, they ask what that is.....I tell them that it WAS the bass, but no sense having it plugged in since the fader on that channel was forced to off anyway. lol Something has to stop them. I've actually put the break music in the bassist's monitor mix only just to make a point. Let him know that if he wants to work himself out of the band and play with a band that will put up with it....then he can practice with the track that is in his monitor. lol. Cheers.
Being a passive player might explain why you are able to boost the bass on your amp to 10. Or maybe it's just your amp. As long as you dig your sound than go for it! As far as the soundguy statment. I'm a soundguy as well on Fridays and Saturdays. We have QSC K15"s hanging from ceiling, and 2 QSC subs underneath stage. With a Behringer digital Ipad crap mixer. Never had a problem with too much bass in a signal so far! I've had bad cords, faulty input jacks, forgotten cords/tuners/picks, completely out of tune singers, I've also had a girl player who had a electric violin running into a hug Boss multieffects board. As soon as I turned up the faders it was feeding back because she had the gain cranked to 10 on the pedalboard....well that's not gonna work at all! She was stubborn and wouldn't go in to change it in the pedalboard, and wouldn't not use the pedal board, and I did not have a feedback eliminator so I just let her play with all the feedback and shizzer, I turned down the gain to 1, cranked the fader and master volume fader, turned down the treble just in case her condenser mic was picking up the monitor mix and feeding back. But that was not the case, as it was feeding back without the monitors on. So from a live perspective/soundguy, don't crank your gain. That's the worst thing you could do! Also don't aim the monitors directly at your vocal mic if your doing backups, sorry but that might cause feedback even with a 58! You have to point it slightly off access and be at least 3-4ft away, otherwise the dreaded feedback kicks in! Now on a CD/digital Album if there's too much bass I will cut that shizzer out of there! I might also tell you to turn down the bass as well if it's muddying up the mix pre mixing, you don't want to just say..."I'll fix it in post" because if you do that next thing you know you've got 20 different things that you have to fix and that always takes the longest amount of time. Instead of mixing for a few weeks, it will be months of work to fix all the stuff! I think that if your gonna make a great sounding record/whatever, you've got to take your time and do the job right when it comes to mixing. If your gonna mix a song in a day, your not gonna be able to make it sound Radio Ready(or like Disturbed, Red Hot Chili Peppers, whatever's on the radio at present Lady Gaga?). I know of guys who come close, but that is definitely not me. I take a long time mixing, as every day ears change, and when you change one thing in the mix you might have to change 10 other things. Then something is off because of those 10 changes you did, so you've got to find it and fix it. Needless to say, for studio work you might wanna turn down the bass or talk to your engineer and ask him if it's too much for your style of music(Reggae has a lot of bass, so does HipHOp). He/she could make you turn down the bass during recording to get a clean signal, then add the bass back in post/mixing. Live though I don't see a problem with it, unless your recording live, then that might be a problem.My favorite line of the thread
I do usually play a passive, but amps are all Ampeg.
If I'm screwing the pooch, I'd like to know about it. So far, nobody has.
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Those guitar lows of which you speak are the bass guitar's mids where our tone lives.
With a lot of amps that comes out as a slight mid boost due to the noon positions being a misdscoop that sells amps off the showroom floor.
I can sell you some paragraphs real cheap.
And there was/is truth to the folded horn argument, as well as Karlson cabinets if you ever encounter them. I have recollection of having to adapt to these. On a tight stage, by the time I had to my comfort level, folks on the back wall were suffering cerebral hemorrhages and miscarriages.
Acoustic suspension speakers (ported) are short throw and infinite baffles (fridges) are all in right up front. I finally settled on acoustic suspension... good compromise between efficiency and self monitoring.
I wont' string you up (get it? string....you....up? LOL!!) unless you start to sound like a house PA with a subwoofer happy sound man. I like to rumble and feel the force as much as the next guy, but if it's mud then it aint gonna fly. As long as you maintain your articulation then I don't see why some bass boost would hurt anything. Some songs require it, imo.
yeah that GK post, too funny!Maybe Ampeg will add a "JimmyM boost" on their next amp generation?
Would be cool to have a bass boost that is not a mid scoop
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I'm expecting a name change to GKJimmy soon, now that the cat's out of the bag end. 
I did FOH for a little while when I was helping out some club owners. To be honest, I would never tell a bass player or any player his tone sucked or he needed to change it. I really didn't have that type of time or desire to have that discussion. That only happens on tour when you have a dedicated FOH guy who is there with you every day and is really crafting the sound of the band, learning the songs so he can ride effects..etc.
What I did if the bass player had too much low end boost was just high pass him a little more. It retains his sound and keeps the mix clean. Pretty easy stuff. I did it a lot to guitar players who boosted their lows, which is truly the most annoying thing ever.
Turning the bass up is a personal choice. I personally just like to use flats or play with the tone knob dialed back a good amount. I prefer more articulation in my sound and honestly, I like low mids. I see guys saying bass is a bass instrument , but it's really not. It is a midrange instrument when it comes to proper mixes. That being said it sure sounds great with some fat lows and if you know how to control those lows in a mix, it's rarely an issue.
Personally, when I want the bass to be a "bass instrument" (which is technically considered sub bass) - I fire up the oc2. I love the dyanmic of going from a warm, tubby punch to a straight up sine wave. But that's just my thing.
What I did if the bass player had too much low end boost was just high pass him a little more. It retains his sound and keeps the mix clean. Pretty easy stuff. I did it a lot to guitar players who boosted their lows, which is truly the most annoying thing ever.
Turning the bass up is a personal choice. I personally just like to use flats or play with the tone knob dialed back a good amount. I prefer more articulation in my sound and honestly, I like low mids. I see guys saying bass is a bass instrument , but it's really not. It is a midrange instrument when it comes to proper mixes. That being said it sure sounds great with some fat lows and if you know how to control those lows in a mix, it's rarely an issue.
Personally, when I want the bass to be a "bass instrument" (which is technically considered sub bass) - I fire up the oc2. I love the dyanmic of going from a warm, tubby punch to a straight up sine wave. But that's just my thing.
That's because between the promulgation of bass waves and the dissipation of higher frequency waves, what was left was a lot of low end. Bass waves don't come out of your cab, magically disappear, and then reappear 40 ft away
That's because between the promulgation of bass waves and the dissipation of higher frequency waves, what was left was a lot of low end. Bass waves don't come out of your cab, magically disappear, and then reappear 40 ft away
Unless you're sitting in a node...
David Copperfield once made an elephant disappear onstage but we all know it didn't really disappear
That's because between the promulgation of bass waves and the dissipation of higher frequency waves, what was left was a lot of low end. Bass waves don't come out of your cab, magically disappear, and then reappear 40 ft away
Yes, partially. In the greater scheme of things a cabinet is simply a transformer to allow the driver to couple with the room air. A horn does this so efficiently that it result in very little pressure wave movement at the mouth as the amount of air engaged is so heavy. It passes that high acoustic impedance to the driver. In effect, the air mass at the mouth of the horn becomes the driver.
So the guy standing in front of it feels very little air movement, as it is spread over such a broad area. It doesn’t become evedent until further out exactly how much room air is displaced, and then the standing wave peaks and nulls come into play.
Furthermore, a 'tone' is not a single frequency but a combination of fundamental and harmonics.When somebody cranks the bass control it usually lifts everything from 40 to 120hz depending on the amp.
The fact is, because the second harmonic is much more audible than the fundamental you hear more of the frequencies between 82 and 160 because you're amplifying an already louder freq band.you actually get less low end but your brain will think that the low end is extending.
You are troubling the waters with your post.You can safely assume that we all know what 'bass' means.We all play in the same zone..unless youlre joking..
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