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Custom Rutherford Double Neck Build

I appreciate the post and do not consider it a derailment..I started the thread obviously to show off the wonderful work of the luthier that brought my dream to reality , but also to exchange ideas and to see other builds posted is what I would encourage....it is of great interest to all of us except for a certain few who may not approve and cause the thread to have the undesirable overtone that I said I would ignore. Thankfully everyone has been really cool and I hope it continues because I'd love to see the thread stay open so I can post the project from start to finish as I have the time.

Cool story about your friend , he must be quite an interesting fellow to know.

Walfretless 5, thanks for the kind words!

In 1975 I owned a Jazz Bass but the band asked me to sell it - it had really bad dead spots on frets 4-7 on both the G string and the D string. It really started affecting my parts and the music in a negative way. Yes we play a lot of notes, some of them whole, which crave sustain. The full scale Fender Jazz couldn't cut it, frankly. In the meantime, our singer at the time had a fireglo Rick 4001 which he loaned me. By the way, since my name is Rick I always spell it Rick. Sorry if that bothers anyone.

I had no idea the scale was 33.25" instead of 34" but what I DID know is that I could get around on it much easier than the Jazz Bass. I called my friends at Washington Music Center, who were huge friends of my band and asked them if they had any mapleglo 4001's in stock. Turned out that they had almost a dozen. I made an appointment to go in a couple of days later and they agreed to pull them all out of the warehouse and check them over for me. I spent the better part of a day playing them through various amps and getting to know them. I was amazed at how non-cookie cutter they were. Each one felt a little different, especially the necks. I settled on one that had the widest but thinnest neck of the batch. It also seemed to have a little more grunt than the others, which could have just been a simple pickup adjustment.

My first act was to make a nice mahogany pick guard for it. i used it exclusively on the first Happy the Man record. I got the PRS after my parts were done but our producer Ken Scott let me go back and re-do one song, but basically the first Happy the Man record is that Rick. When the PRS arrived in medium scale, there was no turning back for me. I finally had a bass that fit me. Paul eventually rescued the bridge pickup out of the Rick and installed it into #7. Eventually, he swapped that same pickup into PRS #11, where it still lives today. So the "Rick" sound was always a big part of my sound even though it came via a PRS since 1977.

here is the Rick:

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Paul came to a show and said he thought he could improve on the sound. He asked if he could rewind the Rick pickup for me, which he did.

Here is what the pickup looks like after Paul worked his magic:

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Walfretless 5, thanks for the kind words!

In 1975 I owned a Jazz Bass but the band asked me to sell it - it had really bad dead spots on frets 4-7 on both the G string and the D string. It really started affecting my parts and the music in a negative way. Yes we play a lot of notes, some of them whole, which crave sustain. The full scale Fender Jazz couldn't cut it, frankly. In the meantime, our singer at the time had a fireglo Rick 4001 which he loaned me. By the way, since my name is Rick I always spell it Rick. Sorry if that bothers anyone.

I had no idea the scale was 33.25" instead of 34" but what I DID know is that I could get around on it much easier than the Jazz Bass. I called my friends at Washington Music Center, who were huge friends of my band and asked them if they had any mapleglo 4001's in stock. Turned out that they had almost a dozen. I made an appointment to go in a couple of days later and they agreed to pull them all out of the warehouse and check them over for me. I spent the better part of a day playing them through various amps and getting to know them. I was amazed at how non-cookie cutter they were. Each one felt a little different, especially the necks. I settled on one that had the widest but thinnest neck of the batch. It also seemed to have a little more grunt than the others, which could have just been a simple pickup adjustment.

My first act was to make a nice mahogany pick guard for it. i used it exclusively on the first Happy the Man record. I got the PRS after my parts were done but our producer Ken Scott let me go back and re-do one song, but basically the first Happy the Man record is that Rick. When the PRS arrived in medium scale, there was no turning back for me. I finally had a bass that fit me. Paul eventually rescued the bridge pickup out of the Rick and installed it into #7. Eventually, he swapped that same pickup into PRS #11, where it still lives today. So the "Rick" sound was always a big part of my sound even though it came via a PRS since 1977.

here is the Rick:

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Paul came to a show and said he thought he could improve on the sound. He asked if he could rewind the Rick pickup for me, which he did.

Here is what the pickup looks like after Paul worked his magic:

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Very Nice and with the "Original" Badass Bridge. It is amazing how much a bridge could make a difference. That is why I chose the Hipshot for my project. Not only does it actually "sound" better to my ear and "sustain" better ...it actually can be adjusted! The Ric bridge is a bit of a hassle to do intonation on.
I have a Jazz bass as well and although I like it for some things...basically "JAZZ" ,I don't think it's a great bass for Prog. I bought my first new in 1975 and my second one (which i still own) in 1977. Used it it various fusion projects and it has served me well but for me, the quintessential prog bass is a Ric. No disrespect intended to the Jazz Bass OR Precision Bass users for that matter that play prog as many excellent players use them, but for ME , my sound is a Ric tone. I own 9 Ric basses and I agree with you , they all have their own little differences that make them all unique. The two that I gig with the most are my #1 1978 Tuxedo and a 4004L equipped with Dark Star pickups. That Bass sounds AMAZING. The "Dark Stars" give it a whole different character but retain the Ric like tone qualities that they are famous for. I know a Laredo has hum bucking Pick ups that sound nothing like the toasters or high gains of a 4001/3. The Dark Stars are single coil, high gain and just have so much tone and character.
Here is a picture of that bass which i bought from a fellow TB'er:
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Very Nice and with the "Original" Badass Bridge. It is amazing how much a bridge could make a difference. That is why I chose the Hipshot for my project. Not only does it actually "sound" better to my ear and "sustain" better ...it actually can be adjusted! The Ric bridge is a bit of a hassle to do intonation on.
I have a Jazz bass as well and although I like it for some things...basically "JAZZ" ,I don't think it's a great bass for Prog. I bought my first new in 1975 and my second one (which i still own) in 1977. Used it it various fusion projects and it has served me well but for me, the quintessential prog bass is a Ric. No disrespect intended to the Jazz Bass OR Precision Bass users for that matter that play prog as many excellent players use them, but for ME , my sound is a Ric tone. I own 9 Ric basses and I agree with you , they all have their own little differences that make them all unique. The two that I gig with the most are my #1 1978 Tuxedo and a 4004L equipped with Dark Star pickups. That Bass sounds AMAZING. The "Dark Stars" give it a whole different character but retain the Ric like tone qualities that they are famous for. I know a Laredo has hum bucking Pick ups that sound nothing like the toasters or high gains of a 4001/3. The Dark Stars are single coil, high gain and just have so much tone and character.
Here is a picture of that bass which i bought from a fellow TB'er:
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Wow Walfretless5!

You should change your name to Rick9! Nine Ricks, man that is a roomful. Have you posted pics of all of them here somewhere? Please point me to them if you have or as far as I am concerned, post em again here! I really do have a soft spot in my heart for Rick's - I just can't get around with my usual speed and chops on the longer neck next to my mediums. So same as other long scales, it would serve no purpose to own one.
 
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That 4001L with Darkstars is one of my favorite instruments of all time.

It's what inspired me to start working on this:

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It's really sharp Brad! Just for my own knowledge I knocked out a rick body and placed the shape over your ridley body to see how you modified yours. Interesting exercise for sure. Nice job!
 
It's really sharp Brad! Just for my own knowledge I knocked out a rick body and placed the shape over your ridley body to see how you modified yours. Interesting exercise for sure. Nice job!
It's actually quite a departure from the 4001/3 shape, but the influence is clear.

The bolt neck required an "E" shaped transition from the upper to lower horns, but the shape is tailor made to be a 24-fret neck-through with a "C" shaped transition from top to bottom.

Sorry for the derail W5, but that 4004L DS is truly the bass that got my wheels spinning in a big way.

I just couldn't resist...;)
 
Hey Walfretless5

Brilliant, brilliant job on the doubleneck! It's killer, nice work all the way around, and may you have many many hours of enjoyment with that beauty!

Hey Ric5

Here ya go: http://www.talkbass.com/threads/rickenbacker-4005-copy.283322/page-6

The real fun starts on page 6.

I will probably build one too at some point. They won't make one for me in medium scale, so as always, I will have to have it built for me.

Rough sketches - with ebony wood pickguard:

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Without:

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Also considering the basics some day - maybe with a carved top:

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Wow. It would be incredible to see these come to fruition, especially in a true medium scale!!!
 
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Wow Walfretless5!

You should change your name to Rick9! Nine Ricks, man that is a roomful. Have you posted pics of all of them here somewhere? Please point me to them if you have or as far as I am concerned, post em again here! I really do have a soft spot in my heart for Rick's - I just can't get around with my usual speed and chops on the longer neck next to my mediums. So same as other long scales, it would serve no purpose to own one.

Yeah I should since I only have 3 Wals...The Rics aren't posted any whereon here, I was thinking of doing it on the Ric Club threads but never really got into the whole club thing , even though I joined the Wal one. I rarely participate, but maybe I will post them later. I have posted my pic of my matching SnoGlos...4003 and 4004L.
 
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Yeah I should since I only have 3 Wals...The Rics aren't posted any whereon here, I was thinking of doing it on the Ric Club threads but never really got into the whole club thing , even though I joined the Wal one. I rarely participate, but maybe I will post them later. I have posted my pic of my matching SnoGlos...4003 and 4004L.

Whoa!

No need to join a club necessarily - I mean - I probably would never join a club that would actually have me as a member, if you know what I mean. I guess I do have a few numbers here....

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I never understood that part of TB myself, no offense to anyone - but please don't deprive us bass porn fanatics of posting your photos of great and beautiful basses!

Those snow white Ricks are unfriggin believable! Something really pristine and angelic about them...

I keep waffling back and forth about which one I like best!

Yes, please post away!
 
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Wow. It would be incredible to see these come to fruition, especially in a true medium scale!!!

Thanks Blinkrabbit

I don't really miss my Rick enough at this point - but if and when they DO come to fruition I can guarantee you won't see them here.

I would have to be an idiot to tempt the Rick police so blatantly....
 
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They're both great, in their own ways. I have TI Jazz Flats on the Laredo, and Vic Wooten Sig. strings (Fodera) on the 2030GF so I get the whole spectrum of wonderful Rick-ness between the two of them.

For more vintage tones I can grab this:

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They're both great, in their own ways. I have TI Jazz Flats on the Laredo, and Vic Wooten Sig. strings (Fodera) on the 2030GF so I get the whole spectrum of wonderful Rick-ness between the two of them.

For more vintage tones I can grab this:

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Hey Jeff

Very Cool,

But yes, from this post, I can see you WAFFLE quite a bit!

When you have so many winners - it's hard to quantify which one you prefer....

Nice Ricks Jeff!
 

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