Davie504 finally playing live

[Sparkl]

Well that's just me. I'm not really into solo bass (with the odd exception). What Michael Manring does is still very much about playing compositions though, so it's very different from creating demonstration content of the sort that Davie does. Manring is definitely an artist. Davie - at least based on the Youtube content of his that I've seen - is not. That's not to say there isn't any merit to what Davie does, it's just that it is likely to appeal to people for a different reason. Or maybe not. I can't say for sure what others are getting out of a performance on an instrument. I just know what I like and I can imagine there are others who have similar feelings to me on this particular subject.

That's fair, although I will add that this probably wasn't Davies free choice - the world seems to be gravitating more and more towards the short-clips nature and I believe this has been introduced with strong popularity of social media such as Vine and TikTok (and others).

The songs have become ever shorter, though lately it does seem to stick around a 3 min mark for radio edits. But social media is different, no one watches a musician for 3 minutes straight (broad public), but they will absolutely snatch a 15 second snapshot of someone shredding the hell out of their instrument. It's entertainment so I believe your description is fair enough, Dave is not considered an "artist" but more of an "entertainer". Even though, ironically, the definition of an artist is a "person that creates something". Originally it was meant to describe someone who is creating a drawing or a painting, and sure enough, entertainers and 10 second video makers indeed also "create". The discussion is up for grabs

Edit: Another thing just came to mind - the word definitions nowadays do seem to imply that we've started to define them too broadly perhaps. For example, people nowadays will claim to be doing something "professionally" because they are doing it to make a living, while the word profession itself means to be actually a complete master (meaning, having a degree on the subject, MA or higher) of a certain skill/field. An artist therefore could be considered as someone who is creating intelligent and complex pieces and is also able to reproduce them live, but isn't there a word "high art" for that?

I need to go check the definitions again, I kinda managed to hype myself, lol.

 

[JonathanPDX]

Uh, did anybody even care that he didn't play the song right? If you're gonna go through all that schtick you may as well at least learn the part.

 

[JRA]

I kind of like them both, and don't watch much of either, trying to avoid youtube rabbit holes

same.

 

[BlueTalon]

Uh, did anybody even care that he didn't play the song right? If you're gonna go through all that schtick you may as well at least learn the part.

No, not the least little bit. It's not my place, nor yours, to tell him what his purpose was, or how he has to play, or how much adaptation he's not allowed to do.

 

[BazzaBass]

There are some haters here. Davie504 is an extremely talented musician, at the top of his game.

Also, he seems to be a financial success despite never releasing any recorded music.

I dunno...haters gonna hate.

Such an extreme comment. We all have different & diverse tastes. Not liking somebody’s music is not hating.

 

[Jantelagen]

Not bad playing riffs that most people learned on guitar at age 14

 

[Hawk256]

Regardless of how you feel about his playing, he looked rather stiff. A little movement and some head banging would have set off the crowd.

 

[TonyP-]

Not a hater of Davie, not a fan either necessarily. Not taking anything away from the time and energy he spent mastering the bass.

I just didn't care for that at all, despite the talent level.

This %100

I’m not a fan at all of that quick cut clip attempts at comedy.
I’m stoked for him, but find Zero entertainment in what He does.

It’s like Jared Dines (or whatever his name is), if that guy acted the way He did at at some party in the 90s, He would have been mocked. Pure garbage

 

[HaphAsSard]

Uh, did anybody even care that he didn't play the song right? If you're gonna go through all that schtick you may as well at least learn the part.

If you gave it another listen, you might - hopefully, but I guess it depends on how observant one is - notice how he throws in chords, which are (entirely or for the most part) absent in the original bass part, as well as snippets of the vocal melody. In other words, a solo rendition. An essential part of the schtick, as you call it.

Not bad playing riffs that most people learned on guitar at age 14

Nope, not those riffs - see above.

And Aesop comes to mind.

 

[NeonVomit]

I like how he sticks to the whole sorta awkward/deadpan vibe as his videos.

Undeniably one of the most influential players out there. Many, many, many kids have picked up the bass because of him and that can only be a good thing in my book. Judging from the success of this event he'll do more.

A 'showdown' live with Charles Berthoud would be epic (CB is the better player in my book, but only by the slimmest of margins) but maybe too 'bass' centered. There are plenty of youtube musicians who would kill to do a live collaboration with him, though. 12 million subscribers is an insane number.

 

[Modulus 96]

That venue looks empty. People silhouettes we're added, as well as crowd noise.

 

[bigswifty1]

Poor Davie, I bet he'd be devestated to find that not everyone on TB likes him

 

[groooooove]

Good player, but that sucked. So slow and barely musical.

Just my opinion.

with love,

and i can't wait to see the video you post of yourself doing it better!

there's a reason davie is very popular. he's really funny, and very entertaining. he's also objectively a very good player.

 

[31HZ]

with love,

and i can't wait to see the video you post of yourself doing it better!

there's a reason davie is very popular. he's really funny, and very entertaining. he's also objectively a very good player.

With love,

it's an odd requirement to posit that no one may post an opinion about something unless they can do it "better".

If anything, this video serves to underscore that being able to produce entertaining videos does not necessarily translate to being able to perform on stage with musicality and soulful expression.

That's not "hate", just sayin'

 

[The_Meatwagon]

with love,

and i can't wait to see the video you post of yourself doing it better!

there's a reason davie is very popular. he's really funny, and very entertaining. he's also objectively a very good player.

Um, lol.

Didn't know you had to be better at something to have an opinion on it. I'll make sure to do better going forward. Thanks.

Lots of davie504 white knights in here. Sorry I was critical of that performance everyone.

 

[thetaxmiser]

Big fan of Davie504. Great ambassador of the instrument and, seemingly, a really nice guy. He has some chops.

 

[Modulus 96]

Gotta give Davie his props but staging a "live" performance? I wonder what he was thinking?

Lots of davie504 white knights in here. Sorry I was critical of that performance everyone.

Don't apologize, you were right.

 

[groooooove]

With love,

it's an odd requirement to posit that no one may post an opinion about something unless they can do it "better".

If anything, this video serves to underscore that being able to produce entertaining videos does not necessarily translate to being able to perform on stage with musicality and soulful expression.

That's not "hate", just sayin'

i think my previous post came off the wrong way.

I should not have directly quoted one person.

there just seems to be a lot of troll-like energy in this thread. I had no idea davie was so divisive to the TB community.

I guess my take is the difference between a critique and a troll would be how informed the poster is. (not necessarily true, but it's where i was coming from.)

that being said even if you are a master virtuoso, just "that was bad" seems unproductive. I guess that's why jeff berlin ain't here anymore

but yeah, the overall energy in this thread seems pointless. and here i am adding to the void.

imma stay out of this thread and use the search function to find some "best bass for metal" threads so i can feel fulfilled this morning.

 

[Thumpin6string]

I really like Davie504 and anyone who dislikes him should be slapped

SLAP THAT BASSIST!

 

[Nuage420]

I like how he sticks to the whole sorta awkward/deadpan vibe as his videos.

Jared calls that out in his video that I posted. They're having fun laughing and Davie is pure dead pan and Jared tells us that it's incredible how when they are off camera he's non stop smiling and laughing.