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DI = mud

#42
Wes Whitmore said:
If you like your rig, dont touch it.

I would get out of the monitors. You don't talk about what FOH even consists of, or what the monitors are, but like lots of other loud rock bands I have seen, there is more than enough guitar and vocals in the monitors to muddy up the sound. Try staying out of them. If the drummer has to have it, make sure his monitor can handle it, and it isn't facing you or the crowd. Bring your stage rig up just loud enough to hear yourself. The PA should be providing all the a$$ in the system.

I see no reason why you wouldn't get good sound out of the sansamp, especially if you aren't boosting the bass excessively.

It might be worth it to ask if the soundman is running you through a compressor, and finding out what kind of unit he is using, and if it's set up properly. You might want to ask him what else he is doing to the bass, and what his goal is.

Wes
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It was 2 different sound guys at 2 different venues. The immediate dilemma is that the club we are playing at this weekend has a house PA and sound guy. We told him we would do our own sound and keep the $50 he wants to charge us. He acted kinda butt hurt about it and my drummer wants to use their system so he can mic all his drums instead of just the kicks. If his system is any good at all the vocals would be better. We have no effects processor, just the lame ones on our powered mixer. It's just a medium sized bar, I wonder if we could use his system and just leave my rig out of it? I wouldn't mind that I guess, as long as my rig could handle it.
 
#43
Floyd Eye said:
Gee, you're a real helpful guy ain't ya?

Impart some of your wisdom instead of taking shots. ;) You quoted parts of the opening post, did you bother to read it or are you just looking for opportunities to be an *******?
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Don't feed the troll. Focus, Daniel-San.

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#45
Floyd Eye said:
It was 2 different sound guys at 2 different venues. The immediate dilemma is that the club we are playing at this weekend has a house PA and sound guy. We told him we would do our own sound and keep the $50 he wants to charge us. He acted kinda butt hurt about it and my drummer wants to use their system so he can mic all his drums instead of just the kicks. If his system is any good at all the vocals would be better. We have no effects processor, just the lame ones on our powered mixer. It's just a medium sized bar, I wonder if we could use his system and just leave my rig out of it? I wouldn't mind that I guess, as long as my rig could handle it.
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Oooh...I think I would spend the 50 bucks and have the extra hands on deck. ESPECIALLY if the drummer wants to go all out with mic'ing the kit.
 
#46
The problem is that only about one in ten soundmen are competent. And that might be generous. And then if you took all the competent soundmen in their own separate group, only a percentage of those will know what a good bass sound is. Moreover, every ones idea of what a bass should sound like is different. So a competent sound engineer, who has good taste in bass tone and knows how to make your sound compliment the music is like finding a needle in the haystack. DI, mic, whatever.

A bad soundman can mic your cab and guess what, you're gonna get bad sound. The merits of mic vs. DI can be argued until we are blue in the face with neither side being right or wrong. I don't have any argument with people like Jimmy M who insist on micing their cab. Can't complain about the guys who insist on using a DI, or those that like to blend both. But put the right tools in the wrong hands and the results will be not so good every time.
 
#47
+1 to losing the stupid 18.

what kind of 4x10 is it? if it's decent, just get another one exactly like it and you'll have a clear, rockin' rig that's modular, with one cab for small gigs and two for bigger ones.

any bar gig big enough to warrant the full stack should mean that you can turn up loud enough to not have bass in the monitors.
 
#48
lowendgenerator said:
Oooh...I think I would spend the 50 bucks and have the extra hands on deck. ESPECIALLY if the drummer wants to go all out with mic'ing the kit.
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I would be down with that, I just don't want my bass to sound crappy and get lost in the mix. That's why I started this thread, I was hoping that mic'ing my cabs would yield better results. The guy who owns the club also runs the sound and he is allegedly a musician. He said he would mic me if I wanted him to. I'm just trying to figure out the best way to get the best sound out of my rig.
 
#49
Floyd Eye said:
I would be down with that, I just don't want my bass to sound crappy and get lost in the mix. That's why I started this thread, I was hoping that mic'ing my cabs would yield better results. The guy who owns the club also runs the sound and he is allegedly a musician. He said he would mic me if I wanted him to. I'm just trying to figure out the best way to get the best sound out of my rig.
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Try a mix of mic'ing the 410 and an unaffected DI signal. Should yield decent results...but again, it all comes down to the competency of the soundguy.
 
#51
if you're scrounging up soundguys with throw-together gear, two channels for blended bass is probably a pipe dream.

there's no reason you can't make the DI from the sansamp sound great by itself.
 
#55
fokof said:
Your right.

I simply used the Troll language to answer a Troll-ish question.

A guy comes on TB after his second gig in his life and tells everybody that DI su**s , he must be Grand-Troll-Master.
We can agree that two gigs is not a big sample of what life really is.
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2nd gig in my life? No, dude, 2nd gig using a soundguy and a house PA. I'm 43 years old and have gigged off and on probably since you were in grade school.

You respond like a smart ass and can't be bothered to even read what you are responding to and I'm the one being "uncivilized"?
 
#56
I think the best solution is to buy the soundguy a beer(or favorite drink or w/e) and then kindly talk about your issue with him/her. Then after telling your opinion ask him/her if you could go look at it from the soundborad with him/her and figure it out from there.
 
#57
Floyd Eye said:
Last night for the second time, my band used a venue's house sound. For the second time my bass sounded muddy and barely audible. We even tipped the sound guy $20 ( FWIW, I do think he tried).

I now absolutely refuse to let anyone DI me. Mic both my cabs or kiss my *** and we'll walk.

I have an RBI, but I am now convinced it is irrelevant. DI sucks period.
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The problem is not DI in general.
If it was...well, it isn't.
I'd do some more research into it all if i was you.
Maybe the DI box was faulty?
Maybe the cables were?
Maybe the Soundguy was?
 
#59
Floyd Eye said:
I would be down with that, I just don't want my bass to sound crappy and get lost in the mix. That's why I started this thread, I was hoping that mic'ing my cabs would yield better results. The guy who owns the club also runs the sound and he is allegedly a musician. He said he would mic me if I wanted him to. I'm just trying to figure out the best way to get the best sound out of my rig.
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So the guy who owns the club is the soundman and you tell him you don't want him to run sound. He probably has a better PA, knows the room and more experience mixing bands than you do. If he is only charging you $50.00 you would be an idiot not to take him up on his offer.
 

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