I think it was the wrong thing to do and I've never liked the Stones as much without him. Maybe he'll do the right thing and rejoin. :0)
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Did Bill Wyman Do The Right Thing?
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- Mar 22, 2004
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Youare right .. but They dont do tour buses though... The band that is...The crew does the tour bus thing..
The band and immediate personnel like accountants and tour mangers and band have the private Rolling Stones airlines.
The band and immediate personnel like accountants and tour mangers and band have the private Rolling Stones airlines.
If they had ever become as tasteful on recordings as Floyd or the Beatles, it would probably be easier for them to mature gracefully. But in addition to describing Mick's actions, you've pretty much described the Stones' discography. Aside from "Angie" and "Ruby Tuesday", they are a bar band that made it big, nothing more.
If Mick doesn't clown, the age will show even more because clowning is such a part of that (sub)genre. It's the same reason Aerosmith and those 80s hair bands can't grow up.
Heh. That would have been very interesting. Still don't know if it would have overcome the decline in songwriting and the increasing urge to overproduce the records.Sure..they could have moved him to bass and brought back Mick Taylor on guitar...then they'd be worth listening to....
Good point. What we can take from this statement, then, is that Wyman grew up while the rest of the band did not (or could not).
+100, you hit the nail on the head!
Sting had an interesting comment about the 80's hair bands in Musician magazine back when he just went solo. He said he was beginning to realize that he was going to look pretty stupid running around on stage in leather pants at forty or something to that effect. For most of those bands where the show and youth was all they had, they've just become old man reviews. It was never about the music for the Stones, it was always about Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll.
OTOH, I've always wondered about some band like GWAR where they never show their identities. Think about it, they could be doing that stuff when they're eighty. Or what if they were eighty when they started doing that stuff?
OTOH, I've always wondered about some band like GWAR where they never show their identities. Think about it, they could be doing that stuff when they're eighty. Or what if they were eighty when they started doing that stuff?
Or maybe GWAR is the Rolling Stones, incognito...
but gosh, yes, Wyman made the right decision.
The Stones, as raw & glorious as they once were, ran out of creative steam at least 20 years ago. It's nothing but rote greatest-hits schtick now. Wyman left with more $$ than he could ever spend, while he was still young enough to pursue other projects. Good call.
I do, however, see some kind of final mini-tour - a small handful of shows - with Wyman as being in the realm of possibility.
The Stones, as raw & glorious as they once were, ran out of creative steam at least 20 years ago. It's nothing but rote greatest-hits schtick now. Wyman left with more $$ than he could ever spend, while he was still young enough to pursue other projects. Good call.
I do, however, see some kind of final mini-tour - a small handful of shows - with Wyman as being in the realm of possibility.
Sting had an interesting comment about the 80's hair bands in Musician magazine back when he just went solo. He said he was beginning to realize that he was going to look pretty stupid running around on stage in leather pants at forty or something to that effect. For most of those bands where the show and youth was all they had, they've just become old man reviews. It was never about the music for the Stones, it was always about Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll.
OTOH, I've always wondered about some band like GWAR where they never show their identities. Think about it, they could be doing that stuff when they're eighty. Or what if they were eighty when they started doing that stuff?
Sting is an interesting cat because he was pretty close to thirty by the time he became famous. He was already a bit of a phony when he broke in doing the New Wave schtick. That said, he has allowed himself to age very gracefully, and he is seen as a musician, not just a rocker.
I'm with you on all points...IMHO, that last good album that the Stones put out was Some Girls which I believe was in '78. I think the problem then became one of second careers...no one in the Stones could really envision reinventing themselves (with the exception of Wyman). Now, to be fair, the Stones are not the only band that this has happened but they are perhaps the biggest.
Based on what I've read I'm surprised he didn't leave earlier! According to multiple articles, Mick & Keith treated him and Charlie like hired sidemen, and never let them be part of the inner workings of the band. Sometimes I get the impression Ron Wood is thought of in the same regard by Mick, too.
But if it were me, and I loved playing the music, I'd probably stick around if the pay and other benefits were good enough!
But if it were me, and I loved playing the music, I'd probably stick around if the pay and other benefits were good enough!
Or maybe GWAR is the Rolling Stones, incognito...
They were probably a bunch of balding middle aged accountants when they started the band anyway.
Think about it, in a GWAR tribute act you can do that as long as you want, there is no practical age limit on that gig.
Bill Wyman didn't move around to begin with. I don't care how old he is, he can play JJF better than the young imitators.
The demand is there, otherwise they wouldn't. I don't care how old they are, their songs still sound great when THEY play them.
Jagger stays in great shape and it's amazing he can still put out the energy and the moves. If he preformed like he did back in the early 60's when they played on smaller stages, that would be fine with me.
I didn't hear people complaining when James Brown was still out there doing his thing at an "elderly" age.
I never expected a book called "LIFE" by KR would be a technical book for musicians. I think it's a good proportional representation of a very chaotic life.
I'm surprised he spent as much time as he did talking about the impact of the open G tuning.
I disagree. How many bar bands were doing what they were doing back in the early 60's? Not white acts anyway. Back then, you had to be good to make it.
Bar bands have been playing Stone's songs for over 45 years. Maybe that's why, to you, the Stones sound like bar bands.
The Stones songs have been popular in bars for 45 years, not only for their mass sales and popularity, because their songs don't rely on the latest technology or gimmick of the day.
I am a huge Sting fan and I agree with you. But unfortunately, I must also add that he has become more pretentious with time. His last albums have been vanity projects: the "lute" album, the "winter" album...
Still, hearing him play Police songs on the tour--in ways I had never heard before--was a tribute to his musicianship.
