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Didn't get the job because I didn't...(VINDICATION CONTENT)

Who here can claim that they love everything about their job: the people, the environment, THE WORK. So how is it that we get all righteous about who we will gig with when we work at 9-5s we can't stand!

If you can't stand your day job, I feel sorry for you. I love my day job more than gigging and make more in 2 hours than I do a nights worth of gigging. People gig for fun, not to be shunned because they don't hae the image.

Also, Elvis Costello's bass player uses Aguilar, at least live when I saw them on 2 occasions. It doesn't get much more old school than that.
 
If you feel that way, you take this kind of stuff too personally. Laugh it off- it doesn't matter.

Why turn them down? Well, first off they didn't seem like the motivated type so we probably would have practiced for another 10 months to a year ultimately resulting in people getting burnt out and quitting. Not to mention NOT being out and playing which is what I personally want (see: $$$ + fun).

Secondly, first impressions man...it's all about first impressions. You really want me to bite the bullet for a bunch of chumps who can't be polite for more than the 5 minutes it took me to set up? C'mon man, gimme a break!


Who here can claim that they love everything about their job: the people, the environment, THE WORK. So how is it that we get all righteous about who we will gig with when we work at 9-5s we can't stand! So what if they were stupid during the initial interview! They thought enough of your playing to call you back! People are always talking about "it's not the gear, it's the player". Someone finally realizes that, humbles themselves to actually call you back, and you turn them down? No wonder there are so many starving artist!

Here is a little tale for you all. I was out of work, took a job as a btb salesman. Hated the job! Kept at it for a minute, just to make the resume look good. Got sent to a job fair to do some recruiting. Chatted up the other recruiters and got a job making double. Now apply it to this situation: got rejected by a bunch of old farts that don't know anything. They call back and ask if your still interested. You say, "is it a paying gig?" They say yes. So though your ego is a little bruised, you take the job anyway. While at one of these gigs, you meet somebody from another band who just happens to be looking for a bassist to go on tour for some serious money.

Now in my world, you get a great gig. In your world, your sitting in the audience, still thinking about how those old farts were stupid and didn't know how great your GEAR was.

Nuff said

Well, except for the fact that it's NOT a great gig. They don't seem to have it together and again, they don't seem like the motivated type. I know not everyone wants to be out playing bars and some do it just for the music and fun and what not, but I'd like to make a buck or two.

And I think a band environment allows us to be a little righteous. It's NOT a 9-5 and for the vast majority, it does NOT pay the bills. So that affords us the opportunity to be picky when it comes to being in a band. Now...if they were playing 4+ gigs a month and making good money, it would be a totally different story.
 
I believe youre mistaken. They didnt call him back nor humble themselves in this case. They only called the OP back because they looked up his gear and realized that it was indeed, expensive equipment. The told him from the start that his playing was great.

Now, what if they had looked his gear up and found that it wasnt expensive at all? Did they not hear it at the audition? If his tone and his playing were good from the start they should not have initially turned him down.

No doubt, if these same guys were auditioning guitar players for a blues gig, they'd scoff at a Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters, etc. for hauling out some beat up old POS guitar - never mind what he might happen to actually DO with it...

Long term: Better off without them, unless the OP is willing to invest the time & trouble trying to rehabilitate their attitudes. If it's an actual paying gig - well, we all have to do things we'd just as soon not do sometimes, for the money. All conditions are only temporary.

JM
 
Reading this thread, it occurred to me: What the world (or at least the TalkBass segment of it) needs is a comic strip, in the mold of "Dilbert", but with setting & characters drawn (so to speak) from the world of music. There's a wealth of potential material, just covering the personalities & interactions of the characters within a band. Then add in managers, agents, club owners, audience members, engineers, roadies, limo drivers, hotel clerks, etc.

Trouble is, so few people would "get it". No matter how "good" it might be, there's probably no way to make any decent $$, at least worth the time & trouble (sigh; so what else is new?).

JM
 
Why do other musicians care so much about YOUR gear? They have their own stuff to worry about, and then how in the world would they know what each piece is supposed to sound like? Some dudes are just plain clueless. Good to see you stand up to ignorance and stupidity like that. Aguilar and Avatar FTW!!!
 
I disagree. They didn't figure out his gear was good, or actually listen to it. Sounds like later on they realized he played better than the rest and looked up his gear online to find that it was expensive and therefore acceptable. Pathetic. Some people get older and wiser, others just get older. They don't sound like thinking humans to me. No need to spite them, but also not desirable to hang and play with them IMHO.

Amen brother!
 
Unless you have some many calls to gig, I don't see how anyone can turn down a paying gig. You didn't say, "They called me back, but I had to turn them down because I already have a gig". Heck, I know some folk who double book themselves, hustling from one gig to another. Just admit that you thought it was cool that you got to repay the snub, and you thought everybody would cheer you on. Yeah, you got a few people to agree with you on TB, but if it is a choice between paying your bills or preserving your pride, most people will go get paid. And don't try to flip the script; you started this thread boasting about your great playing, your great gear, and your willingness to play with people twice your age cause your such a great guy.

OBJECTION! He's badgering the witness! OVERRULED! Your client opened the door to this line of questioning:

"Two months ago I tried out for (and believe that I nailed) a classic rock cover band. Seems like I'm the only 26 year old who even listens to the stuff, much less plays it. The guys were older - late 40's to mid 50's. What the hell, I've jammed with people twice my age before. So I show up with my Aguilar AG500SC/Agro rig and sit it on top of my Avatar B212 Neo cab (all besides the Agro have since been sold to pay bills) and set it up. I pull out my Spector and plug it in."
 
Unless you have some many calls to gig, I don't see how anyone can turn down a paying gig. You didn't say, "They called me back, but I had to turn them down because I already have a gig". Heck, I know some folk who double book themselves, hustling from one gig to another. Just admit that you thought it was cool that you got to repay the snub, and you thought everybody would cheer you on. Yeah, you got a few people to agree with you on TB, but if it is a choice between paying your bills or preserving your pride, most people will go get paid. And don't try to flip the script; you started this thread boasting about your great playing, your great gear, and your willingness to play with people twice your age cause your such a great guy.

OBJECTION! He's badgering the witness! OVERRULED! Your client opened the door to this line of questioning:

"Two months ago I tried out for (and believe that I nailed) a classic rock cover band. Seems like I'm the only 26 year old who even listens to the stuff, much less plays it. The guys were older - late 40's to mid 50's. What the hell, I've jammed with people twice my age before. So I show up with my Aguilar AG500SC/Agro rig and sit it on top of my Avatar B212 Neo cab (all besides the Agro have since been sold to pay bills) and set it up. I pull out my Spector and plug it in."

Something tells me the OP is not so desparate for gigs that he wants to be in an unfavorable band to play. Really, the only reasons you should take EVERY gig is if you're new and need/want experience, or if doing the gig is absolutely necessary to pay the bills.
 
Way back, I used to play a cheapo bass through a great little 115 combo. Sounded good to me!

I met some guys in the early 80's who were real Fender/Gibson/Marshall diehards. When I turned up at the drummers house to meet them, I got some real disappointed looks when I told them I played a P bass copy (horror of horrors) and used an Ohm combo. We left the house and went to the rehearsal, and I got the gig. I like to think they learned something about the silliness of judging people by their gear that night.
 
Unless you have some many calls to gig, I don't see how anyone can turn down a paying gig. You didn't say, "They called me back, but I had to turn them down because I already have a gig". Heck, I know some folk who double book themselves, hustling from one gig to another. Just admit that you thought it was cool that you got to repay the snub, and you thought everybody would cheer you on. Yeah, you got a few people to agree with you on TB, but if it is a choice between paying your bills or preserving your pride, most people will go get paid. And don't try to flip the script; you started this thread boasting about your great playing, your great gear, and your willingness to play with people twice your age cause your such a great guy.

OBJECTION! He's badgering the witness! OVERRULED! Your client opened the door to this line of questioning:

"Two months ago I tried out for (and believe that I nailed) a classic rock cover band. Seems like I'm the only 26 year old who even listens to the stuff, much less plays it. The guys were older - late 40's to mid 50's. What the hell, I've jammed with people twice my age before. So I show up with my Aguilar AG500SC/Agro rig and sit it on top of my Avatar B212 Neo cab (all besides the Agro have since been sold to pay bills) and set it up. I pull out my Spector and plug it in."
I respectfully disagree with this in its entirety.
 
A lot boils down to basic negotiation and assertiveness.

A possible way to handle a situation like the OP's is to politely suggest deferring the gear discussion until after the audition is over and an offer is made. One could say something like: "I'm open to changing gear but let's see how it goes for a few rehearsals, or maybe even a few gigs." This gives you time to make the case for the gear that you are using, namely that it's pro quality and that you have no problem dialing in an appropriate tone for the band. Then you can dig in your heels.

If you ever give the band the final word on your gear, then you are opening your wallet to their whims. Agreeing to unreasonable terms, just to get the gig, simply shows that you can be pushed around.
 
I'm 46 and usually play my classic rock on an Elrick through Markbass and Epifani......guess I wouldn't have made their grade either.

49 here, classic rock, I would have shown up with my ( big) GK rig , and either my T-bird or probably my B.C.Rich Warlock, and let er rip. You don't like my gear? Fine YOU buy me what ever gear YOU want me to play, and I will play it. Otherwise see-ya, Because I am in demand. Good luck on finding a bassist that meets ALL of your expectations.
 
Unless you have some many calls to gig, I don't see how anyone can turn down a paying gig. You didn't say, "They called me back, but I had to turn them down because I already have a gig". Heck, I know some folk who double book themselves, hustling from one gig to another. Just admit that you thought it was cool that you got to repay the snub, and you thought everybody would cheer you on. Yeah, you got a few people to agree with you on TB, but if it is a choice between paying your bills or preserving your pride, most people will go get paid. And don't try to flip the script; you started this thread boasting about your great playing, your great gear, and your willingness to play with people twice your age cause your such a great guy.

OBJECTION! He's badgering the witness! OVERRULED! Your client opened the door to this line of questioning:

"Two months ago I tried out for (and believe that I nailed) a classic rock cover band. Seems like I'm the only 26 year old who even listens to the stuff, much less plays it. The guys were older - late 40's to mid 50's. What the hell, I've jammed with people twice my age before. So I show up with my Aguilar AG500SC/Agro rig and sit it on top of my Avatar B212 Neo cab (all besides the Agro have since been sold to pay bills) and set it up. I pull out my Spector and plug it in."

Do yourself a favor and read the original thread because you're sounding REALLY dumb right now arguing points that don't even exist...it is NOT a paying gig and by the way they sounded, doesn't look like it will happen for many months. It was just a BAD BAND and I'm not any better or worse than anyone else for thinking that either.

Where in that paragraph do I boast about my great skills and gear? I merely said I thought I nailed the tryout. I didn't have hardly any screw-ups and my timing was on that day. So what? And I didn't brag about my gear at all. It sounded good and got the job done for me. So what?

Pretty much the only point you have made so far is that I did get a little enjoyment out of "repaying the snub". Big effing deal. There's a lot of colorful language I left out since TB rules prohibit it but feel free to add it in wherever you like. I'm sure everyone else is thinking the same thing about ya. :D
 
I respectfully disagree with this in its entirety.

I agree, with the omission of the "respectfully" part of it...that post was just dead wrong.

;)

I guarantee to you the guys in the OP are going to be playing pocket pool in their garage in a years time, because instead of letting the audition speak for itself, they had to call the guy out on not having "pro equipment" when he walked in the door.

If you're some big-name cat, maybe you can demand a certain type of gear, but if it's some second-rate local cover band, who cares what the name on the gear is, as long as it does the job.

These guys were posers, and the OP did himself a favor by blowing them off.
 
I strongly dislike gear snobs....

i think i'm a reverse gear snob!

so much so that whenever i see a band setting up and the bass player is under 40 with a Fender and an Ampeg 8 x 10 fridge behind him on stage....i usually write him off on the spot...

same goes for the image thing...

i recently posted a pic of my band on stage....we play old school Stoner/Doom stuff for the most part (Imagine Sabbath Meets Floyd) and a guy responds with you don't look like a Stoner band

so i replied what's a stoner band supposed to look like?....to which i get.....you know....long haired and dirty.... :scowl:

the world is full of idiots, racists, and mean people....

deal with it and move on

life is way too short to care about this kind of B.S.