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Interesting. Different playing styles
For me personally, I find lines plus dots to be too busy and confusing. My ideal fretless has easily visible side dots only on places where there are normal position markers, but the side dots should be on the fret lines not between them. I don't much care if it's lined or not, since that only matters when you're playing sitting down or hunched over the bass. I'd rather trust my ear than my eyes. Using your ear makes you a better musician in the long run.
That said, I have no experience with a fretless Dingwall, and I do have a suspicion I'd be lost without lines simply because I am only a part-time Dingwall player. I think it's fairly likely that if I had trained my muscle memory strictly for fanned frets by playing Dingwalls exclusively, I would probably be fine with it unlined. But that is pure conjecture, since I have never tried it, so it's not even worth the paper it's printed on. If I were buying a used one, I would buy it whether lined or unlined. If I were ordering a new one, I'd order it lined, and would request that the lines be made of a material that has moisture properties as similar to the fingerboard as possible if I wanted to minimize the risk.

Three more things to consider:

1. Adding epoxy coating certainly overcomes the concern about "hearing the fretlines" when sliding. However, it also drastically changes the tonality of the bass, making it much brighter and crisper, adding a slight degree of raspiness to the tone if you have the action super low for maximum mwah. So you would need to want that type of tone, or you won't be happy. I have one such fretless, so I know this from experience.
2. If you have an untreated fingerboard, you really should be keeping it fully hydrated with lemon oil anyway so it doesn't dry out. And if it's fully hydrated with oil, then there is no room for moisture to get into it. Therefore, it is going to be very stable, and won't appreciably expand or contract anyway, thus making your concern about "hearing the fretlines" a non-issue.
3. Even if you had an untreated fb and you failed to keep it hydrated, and the fingerboard shrunk from dryness faster than the fretline material shrunk, so the fretlines end up protruding a wee bit, then how closely would you (or your audience) need to be paying attention in order to actually be able to "hear the fretlines"? If this is a high quality, very hifi solo recording with bright settings (like Damian), then OK, maybe you could hear them. Maybe. But again, if this happens, it's because you failed to keep the fb properly hydrated with lemon oil. Go back to item 2.


Good point on the oiling of the FB.
Epoxied board, I think, should be really cool but like you said it is a desired effect.

I agree that playing by ear is a valuable tool and that it makes you a better player. Depending on the type of music being played and style of playing definitely comes into play( I originally overlooked this as I was only looking at it from a perspective of my and my influences style.) I play mostly standing and somewhat over looking the FB depending on the music.

When I think of my future fretless use this is where the style and influence comes from.

 
I think I would be lost without fretlines. I briefly owned an unlined fretless non-Dingwall, so not much experience. It was cool and I was better at it than I thought I would be, but to translate that experience to fan/fret is almost impossible.
 
Of course, it's on my mind...as I get ready to send a Dingwall out the door to be de-fretted. Definitely lines for this one (duh, makes sense, given it's already 'cut'), but as someone who owned a fretless Jazz for a handful of years that was unmarked on the face of the fingerboard, it's just something you sorta get used to. I played it well enough for a handful of studio recordings as well as in some live situations and don't remember complaints.

I'll also say that playing banjo fret Dingwalls probably puts you in a better place for fretless playing. I don't know about you, but the banjos really want to be played right up on the fret. I didn't really notice that as a big difference until I got a Dingwall that had jumbo frets installed and I found it was a 'relearn' to play it effectively...it wants you to play back off the fret a lot more.

Looking forward to having it done and also spending lots of practice time with it. We just booked a gig for spring that will be 'an acoustic night with' and I really want to play fretless for that one... it won't be until March, but I think it's going to be really cool to reinterpret our set and instrumentation for the event.

And since we can't go far without some Dingwall pictures...Here's a fun one from a few weeks back...

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I have an honest question for you dingwallers.

How would you guys feel about playing a fretboard like this with bare minimal markings?

I feel i would love to try it but am concerned that I could get a bit “lost” without any reference points on the “fan”.
Perhaps the more you play it the more familiar it would become

If that doesn't work just pencil em in. :P
 
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I have an honest question for you dingwallers.

How would you guys feel about playing a fretboard like this with bare minimal markings?

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Just simple answers.

I feel i would love to try it but am concerned that I could get a bit “lost” without any reference points on the “fan”.
Perhaps the more you play it the more familiar it would become
Or
Just having fretlines would take the stress out of the built in concern of being “on”.
It certain live setting where hearing yourself could be a bit difficult is where I would worry the most. Anyways. There’s my take. I’m curious to hear yours.

I guess I'm in the minority. I would go for no lines. That clean look is breath taking! Also, I'm the type of person that loves a challenge. But I'll have to come clean...I have a past with unmarked fretless bass..

 
I'd like to see the settings on the the AO Ultra. :)

I'd like to see the settings on the the AO Ultra. :)

signal would be... bass -> hyper luminal -> AOU -> neural dsp darkglass plugin (released i wanted more drive actually recording :banghead:

aou setting hm...
alpha/omega at 11 o'clock
blend at 2 o'clock
level at 10 o'clock
drive at 11 o'clock
bite and growl on
boosted 500 and 3k on the eq a little bit

i hope it helps :hyper:
 
signal would be... bass -> hyper luminal -> AOU -> neural dsp darkglass plugin (released i wanted more drive actually recording :banghead:

aou setting hm...
alpha/omega at 11 o'clock
blend at 2 o'clock
level at 10 o'clock
drive at 11 o'clock
bite and growl on
boosted 500 and 3k on the eq a little bit

i hope it helps :hyper:
Thanks! I think if I can cop that tone my band will $#@%. ;)
 
I guess I'm in the minority. I would go for no lines. That clean look is breath taking! Also, I'm the type of person that loves a challenge. But I'll have to come clean...I have a past with unmarked fretless bass..



Cool, parallel scale fretless. That's not really what we're talking about here. Note that until recently even Sheldon refused to build unlined fanned fretless.
 
I guess I'm in the minority. I would go for no lines. That clean look is breath taking! Also, I'm the type of person that loves a challenge. But I'll have to come clean...I have a past with unmarked fretless bass..


Yes, as @BurningSkies noted, we are not talking about monoscale fretless. Unlined multiscale poses challenges that would be unnecessarily daunting compared to monoscale. You would have to have an ear not only for horizontal positioning up the neck - but vertical positioning along a variable (and invisible) "fan."
 
Yes, as @BurningSkies noted, we are not talking about monoscale fretless. Unlined multiscale poses challenges that would be unnecessarily daunting compared to monoscale. You would have to have an ear not only for horizontal positioning up the neck - but vertical positioning along a variable (and invisible) "fan."

Yep. Here's a picture or two of my first fretless, now long gone. ;)

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One may note the lack of fretlines. ;)


I did just get word from Sheldon that he thinks that the farmed rosewood used on the v4 Combustions may be too soft and that he suggests epoxy-coating. I'll discuss further with the tech who's doing the work for me. I may be back with questions of a qualified epoxy artist.
 
I have an honest question for you dingwallers.

How would you guys feel about playing a fretboard like this with bare minimal markings?

View attachment 3159760

Just simple answers.

I feel i would love to try it but am concerned that I could get a bit “lost” without any reference points on the “fan”.
Perhaps the more you play it the more familiar it would become
Or
Just having fretlines would take the stress out of the built in concern of being “on”.
It certain live setting where hearing yourself could be a bit difficult is where I would worry the most. Anyways. There’s my take. I’m curious to hear yours.

I’d love to try one but would be too chicken to buy one. Getting lines on mine.

I’m ok with no lines on parallel basses. Mostly.

I like these particular cheat marks:


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I have an honest question for you dingwallers.

How would you guys feel about playing a fretboard like this with bare minimal markings?

View attachment 3159760

Just simple answers.

I feel i would love to try it but am concerned that I could get a bit “lost” without any reference points on the “fan”.
Perhaps the more you play it the more familiar it would become
Or
Just having fretlines would take the stress out of the built in concern of being “on”.
It certain live setting where hearing yourself could be a bit difficult is where I would worry the most. Anyways. There’s my take. I’m curious to hear yours.

I would try it, because it looks awesome. With those side marks I think I would do ok and it looks so cool I'd want to practice more (Though I'd pick a different color). I only play Dingwall, so I'm sure that would help.
 
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I have an honest question for you dingwallers.

How would you guys feel about playing a fretboard like this with bare minimal markings?

View attachment 3159760

Just simple answers.

I feel i would love to try it but am concerned that I could get a bit “lost” without any reference points on the “fan”.
Perhaps the more you play it the more familiar it would become
Or
Just having fretlines would take the stress out of the built in concern of being “on”.
It certain live setting where hearing yourself could be a bit difficult is where I would worry the most. Anyways. There’s my take. I’m curious to hear yours.
I wouldn’t order it that way and if I found that bass for a price I couldn’t refuse I’d get lines painted on it like Juan Alderete did with his vintage fender fretless.
 
Oh, oh, oh, oh...just got an e-mail from the dealer I ordered my custom ABI back in June. My bass is being built ! It should ship out in a few weeks. :woot: :woot: :woot: :bassist: :D.

BTW, for those in Europe looking for a great purchase experience when ordering a custom Dingwall (not "off the rack") I can recommend Invalid Link Removedin Italy. I am in Switzerland, so it's not a natural choice, but they were so knowledgeable and great to deal with so far, that I have to put in a word for them (plus there are no dealers in my country). And Roberto seems to speak perfect English, so it was a breeze.
 
Oh, oh, oh, oh...just got an e-mail from the dealer I ordered my custom ABI back in June. My bass is being built ! It should ship out in a few weeks. :woot: :woot: :woot: :bassist: :D.

BTW, for those in Europe looking for a great purchase experience when ordering a custom Dingwall (not "off the rack") I can recommend Invalid Link Removedin Italy. I am in Switzerland, so it's not a natural choice, but they were so knowledgeable and great to deal with so far, that I have to put in a word for them (plus there are no dealers in my country). And Roberto seems to speak perfect English, so it was a breeze.
Servus! Wie gots?

Good luck with your custom.
 
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Oh, oh, oh, oh...just got an e-mail from the dealer I ordered my custom ABI back in June. My bass is being built ! It should ship out in a few weeks. :woot: :woot: :woot: :bassist: :D.

BTW, for those in Europe looking for a great purchase experience when ordering a custom Dingwall (not "off the rack") I can recommend Invalid Link Removedin Italy. I am in Switzerland, so it's not a natural choice, but they were so knowledgeable and great to deal with so far, that I have to put in a word for them (plus there are no dealers in my country). And Roberto seems to speak perfect English, so it was a breeze.
June 2018? You're getting a custom Canadian built in less than a year? Did something drastically change with order times?!